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SWP expulsions and squabbles

butchersapron said:
Hey, we're all in this together.

No, i'm in that sewer with you and the remaining party members.
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Good god no I fully realise its middle class me and working class rmp3 against the rest! Mind you, you nearly gave yourself an embolism earlier when you thought you'd spotted emy turning, thought your head was about to explode with outrage. How will you ever live with yourself six months from now when the SWP has come out the other side of this and all the sticking of pins in dolls you could manage hasn't killed it off.
 
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Oh the irony.

Late 2012: I was in the town centre and I passed both an SWP stall and a stall from a church. From the latter I was given a leaflet with horrendous lies about abortion and the usual "We're here to help but no one else is" stuff. A few days after I showed it to a friend and in the same breath mentioned the SWP stall. Third friend turns around from another conversation, taking my last sentence out of context as a joke and said "Well the SWP have changed their line on women's rights!" We chuckled, and that was that.

Fast-forward a bit and all these jokes are like the nasty forshadowing you notice when you rewatch a film or TV series.
 
bolshiebhoy said:
Good god no I fully realise its middle class me and working class rmp3 against the rest! Mind you, you nearly gave yourself an embolism earlier when you thought you'd spotted emy turning, thought your head was about to explode with outrage. How will you ever live with yourself six months from now when the SWP has come out the other side of this and all the sticking of pins in dolls you could manage hasn't killed it off.
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SWP - not a class thing (NOR A RAPE THING).
 
I don't get the point about sticking pins in dolls. If anyone is guilty of voodoo, it can only be the SWP deciders who cured the Sheffield full-timer's alleged raping and domestic violence in under 2 years whilst he was still able to go to the south coast for socials with students, simply by reading bits of the Cliffite tradition on women's liberation.
 
Bolshiebhoy why are you reducing the cases just down to the accusation of Delta raping someone? There is also the issue of a leading party member of nearly 50 years old thinking it is ok to sleep with a 17 year old new member. This leads on to the question that despite this the SWP thinking it was ok to have a panel to investigate comprising solely of his mates, and even then one of the panel obviously thought there was some kind of wrong doing. Delta was also accussed of sexual harassment by a seperate woman. The CC knew of at least the first accusation but allowed conference to be misled and him to have a standing ovation.

There is also the case of the Sheffield organiser who the SWP thought it was ok to give a two year suspension after a number of serious accusations, some of which they accepted. They then went on to praise him, and thought that if they gave him some SWP literature on women's rights that would be enough to welcome him back to the fold.

But you reduce all this down to the fact that some bloke should keep his dick in his trousers? Don't you think that's a bit of a disgusting comment to make given we have two seperate accusations, one of rape, and one of sexual harassment? You say that this in reference to those who believe he is innocent, but by your own logic, how can anyone think this? But despite you not knowing whether he is guily or innocent, and despite the fact that a woman has alleged he raped her, you choose to think it is him just not keeping his dick in his trousers.

As for all the stuff about you thinking it is so important to protect the political tradition of the IS. What has this tradition actually achieved? Doesn't amount to a whole hill of beans it seems to me. After several decades they are a group of 1000 or so activists, with sod all influence in either the unions or working class communities and joke front organisations like Unite the Resistance, which achieve precisely sweet FA. Even historically they haven't exacty set the world on fire.
 
he's right though, this isn't the death blow it righteously should be, the evidence shows that there are many who will rally to the core and carry on rather than see the party die.

something something bacon roll in the party
 
bolshiebhoy said:
Good god no I fully realise its middle class me and working class rmp3 against the rest! Mind you, you nearly gave yourself an embolism earlier when you thought you'd spotted emy turning, thought your head was about to explode with outrage. How will you ever live with yourself six months from now when the SWP has come out the other side of this and all the sticking of pins in dolls you could manage hasn't killed it off.
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:D Twas funny last night. Especially after I'd asked Violent Panda about butchers being so angry all the time, and he totally denied it. :D
 
DotCommunist said:
he's right though, this isn't the death blow it righteously should be, the evidence shows that there are many who will rally to the core and carry on rather than see the party die.

something something bacon roll in the party
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proclamations of the death of the SWP have been going on for years and years. Will this be the death blow, I don't know, honestly.

The thing I would say is this, the left talking about the left on here and wherever else, isn't as important to have a heart attack about. Besides that hard-core, who always hate every other section of the left beside themselves, won't most of the working class have forgotten about this in six months time (if indeed they were ever a word of it)?

The SWP may die, but those who think Trotskyism and Leninism is dead, need to produce an alternative. Viable alternative. This KPD attitude, just won't do comrades.:D
 
DotCommunist said:
he's right though, this isn't the death blow it righteously should be, the evidence shows that there are many who will rally to the core and carry on rather than see the party die.

something something bacon roll in the party
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no new members, no one else prepared to work with them. It might take a few years to work itself out, but its all over. Everything from now is just the death throes.
 
One_Stop_Shop said:
Bolshiebhoy why are you reducing the cases just down to the accusation of Delta raping someone? There is also the issue of a leading party member of nearly 50 years old thinking it is ok to sleep with a 17 year old new member. This leads on to the question that despite this the SWP thinking it was ok to have a panel to investigate comprising solely of his mates, and even then one of the panel obviously thought there was some kind of wrong doing. Delta was also accussed of sexual harassment by a seperate woman. The CC knew of at least the first accusation but allowed conference to be misled and him to have a standing ovation.

There is also the case of the Sheffield organiser who the SWP thought it was ok to give a two year suspension after a number of serious accusations, some of which they accepted. They then went on to praise him, and thought that if they gave him some SWP literature on women's rights that would be enough to welcome him back to the fold.

But you reduce all this down to the fact that some bloke should keep his dick in his trousers? Don't you think that's a bit of a disgusting comment to make given we have two seperate accusations, one of rape, and one of sexual harassment? You say that this in reference to those who believe he is innocent, but by your own logic, how can anyone think this? But despite you not knowing whether he is guily or innocent, and despite the fact that a woman has alleged he raped her, you choose to think it is him just not keeping his dick in his trousers.

As for all the stuff about you thinking it is so important to protect the political tradition of the IS. What has this tradition actually achieved? Doesn't amount to a whole hill of beans it seems to me. After several decades they are a group of 1000 or so activists, with sod all influence in either the unions or working class communities and joke front organisations like Unite the Resistance, which achieve precisely sweet FA. Even historically they haven't exacty set the world on fire.
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There are so many issues in there, and it's not worth going over them again. I'm just interested how far do you take this logic.
Everybody HAS TO leave the SWP?
Everybody HAS TO give up on Leninism?
Everybody HAS TO give up on Trotskyism?


PS On the 17 + 50 affair V Marx and Maid?
 
ResistanceMP3 said:
where did I say you said they stop people reading Marx?
You haven't said anything about "first stop material" until now.
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yes I did. If you're too stupid to see that one sentence is a paraphrase of an earlier one, it's hardly my fault, is it?

you just said there SW do provide.
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They "provide" by selling. That's not actually provision in the sense of disseminating materials to your membership, Oddjob. That's making money for the cause. At least your Christian nutters usually charge cost price plus a few bob to keep the pastor happy.

But you were wrong, there isn't just one-sided commentaries..
In response to this,

I asked a very simple question;



If you were honest, you would admit they promote and provide revolutionary books from a wide range of authors. But you're too sectarian to even concede this.
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They don't provide, you dumb cunt, they retail. They SELL. They don't sell at cost price, they sell at FULL retail price, like the good little business that they are.

"Honest"? You wouldn't know honesty if it bit your face off.
 
Twas funny last night. Especially after I'd asked Violent Panda about butchers being so angry all the time, and he totally denied it.
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Could you be anymore obnoxious if you tried? First of all after rape allegations had been made you just carried on with your idiotic "have they split yet" comments. But then you expect people to engage with you seriously when you want to, but when you want to take the piss, even in the face of such serious allegations, you just carry on. Nothing about this is funny, and the fact that you think it is says it all.
 
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