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SWP expulsions and squabbles
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Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It's completely counterproductive to be defensive. The SP has acted reasonably so far, which is to say it stayed out of the way of investigations by the appropriate authorities of allegations against a member stemming from a time before he joined. The more recent allegations are of investigative failures by those bodies. We should wait and see what the RMT have to say for themselves (I'm assuming that the CPS aren't going to explain their decisions). Which does not of course mean necessarily taking what they say at face value.
leyton96
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There's nothing worrying or defensive about attempting to clarify what the other person is asking.
I think the way you have posed things are a bit one sided. This is something that has happened at third hand to the Socialist Party. The full facts are not know to the party. This applies to the original allegations, the investigation of the police and the investigation of the RMT. In these circumstances it will take time for the SP to get all the facts before it can make any decision on the matter. The way you posed matters is that the SP must 'do something' otherwise it is brought into disrepute. I am pointing out that the SP has a number of serious matters to weigh up before it decides what to do.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
which is doing something. Or is starting to do something, at least.
october_lost
It's not hip any more...
belboid
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bolshiebhoy
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"Implicitly, we would also be saying that the strategy of the 'moderates' has failed. But that will be obvious." oh yeah baby how to win friends and influence people...
belboid
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I'd have thought you'd admire his directness!
(and no one could say he was wrong, either)
leyton96
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Posted this a few minutes ago but it disappeared for some reason.
There is nothing worrying or defensive in seeking to clarify what the other person is asking.
I think you are posing things in a bit of a one sided fashion. You say the SP must 'do something' otherwise it will be brought into disrepute. The reality is that this has all happened at third hand to the SP. The Party does not know the full facts of the original allegations, the police investigation, the CPS decision or the RMT investigation. Ascertaining those facts will take time as will deciding what to do once they are known. I don't think you have put this across in the way you have interacted with SP members here, for example demanding an Irish SP member comment on what should be done.
The SP have a lot of serious matters to weigh up before deciding what to do.
There is nothing worrying or defensive in seeking to clarify what the other person is asking.
I think you are posing things in a bit of a one sided fashion. You say the SP must 'do something' otherwise it will be brought into disrepute. The reality is that this has all happened at third hand to the SP. The Party does not know the full facts of the original allegations, the police investigation, the CPS decision or the RMT investigation. Ascertaining those facts will take time as will deciding what to do once they are known. I don't think you have put this across in the way you have interacted with SP members here, for example demanding an Irish SP member comment on what should be done.
The SP have a lot of serious matters to weigh up before deciding what to do.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Yes, exactly.
bolshiebhoy
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Indeed.
Plus "no activists wanted to speak to us either although I chatted to one on the phone who said 'this is what happens when you have an all knowing leadership who treat party members as useful and disposable'." SEYMOUR! speaks.
belboid
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bolshiebhoy
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Oh I do. And whoever it was in the faction - you know who you are
- who told me RS wasn't half 'political' enough in the canny sense to run an opposition was right! This boy is no leader or anyone you'd want to work with for long.
belboid
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doesnt sound like seymour to me. In fact, what it sounds like is what an archetypal oppositionist would say, without it actually sounding anyone specific. Owen Jones if its anyone (or 'via' him)
bolshiebhoy
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No I didn't mean RS himself, I was using his 'ironic' SEYMOUR! as totem for general opositionist.
discokermit
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pathetic. really. that's all you've got. you need to take a good look at yourself.
bolshiebhoy
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Crikey bobs what's my sin now?! If I'd meant he actually said it I'd have said RS, but cause it was such a generic thing to say I used SEYMOUR. Not rocket science.
SpineyNorman
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I'm wondering what they can do. Is the woman really likely to want to discuss it with the SP? It's a fucking mess.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
clearly beyond both of us tho, i'm afraid
cesare
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Perhaps they could at least have a chat with Caroline to see what she thinks?
bolshiebhoy
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I knew I'd get in trouble when I started copying butchers use of SEYMOUR!clearly beyond both of us tho, i'm afraid
bolshiebhoy
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Bambery's lot will soon launch into outer space if they hyperventilate any more: http://internationalsocialist.org.uk/index.php/2013/03/sexual-violence-and-the-greek-left/
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Even if she doesn't, if it is in the public domain, concerning someone who is a well known member, something should be done, or it would look like you were acting (without wanting to sound racist) like the three wise monkeys
cesare
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I would have thought that just out of concern for her general well being ( without even making any commitment about whether or not to progress an investigation) someone from the SP would contact her now it's in the public domain.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It was correct to leave allegations of that nature in the hands of the competent authorities, without interfering. Should it later be shown that those authorities were not competent, that would change things. Lets wait and see what they have to say for themselves.
As an aside, I see that the story has been taken down from Socialist Unity.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
"They're [the CC] the most pathetic shower."
It does look like the CPGB are setting Seymour up for expulsion by posting that.
bolshiebhoy
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True but at least they're ecumenical in their tell the class all approach.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
There is a distinction between believing that political arguments should be made openly and snitching.
As if that wasn't already guaranteed and reinforced by some of the loyalist motions and contributions. They were only one step off "Richard Seymour should be expelled".
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