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SWP expulsions and squabbles

sihhi said:
W could have spoken at the conference, but Delta communicate by means of a pre-written statement.
To avoid the Delta fireworks.

ETA: If that's what W desired, as far as her advocate said in the transcript, W did want to communicate at the conference.
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They could have had written statements from both read out avoiding a probable public haranguing of W
 
redcogs said:
Its hard to see that a conference simply dealing with the Delta abuse issue will pacify the discontents.

It is obvious that the Prof/Kimber bully controlling element are seeking to narrowly define the terms of debate at the March special, and all they want is reaffirmation of "the decisions of January’s conference and the NC, resolve recent debates, clarify some elements of the constitution and move the party forwards". Many of the oppo's will not find this acceptable for the equally obvious reason that what they appear to seek is a more open and responsive organisation which makes the intimidation of those with alternative political understandings a relic of history rather than a current modus.

It isn't a situation that can end well for either wing. We are definitely looking at a painful and messy long term demise of the swp if the hard loyalists succeed in thrashing the oppo's, which they must, unless the debate is widened to encompass the important matters being raised by dissident voices.
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The debate needs to be had if the party is to move forward, the longer the CC dampen down debate the more things fester.
 
Stack has weighed in now, and as the lone dissenter on the DC its long overdue.

Quite critical of the CC in some respects, but no sign of wishing to be properly associated with the oppo's.
Delta must really only have hours left..
 
redcogs said:
Stack has weighed in now, and as the lone dissenter on the DC its long overdue.

Quite critical of the CC in some respects, but no sign of wishing to be properly associated with the oppo's.
Delta must really only have hours left..
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It is always open to Delta to resign, even if the CC has not seen fit to expel him. I'm trying to imagine the mindset that would hang on whilst inflicting such damage on the party.
 
It's too late now the damage is done, if he does go it would have to be part of a wider compromise deal at the upcoming conference.
 
KeeperofDragons said:
I am not surprised bearing in mind how much has been negative to the party & the posting of transcripts
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Eventually the comrades will need to adapt to the changed circumstances that four decades of free market chaos have delivered. The secrecy and the constriction of debate that the CC have depended upon are no longer possible in an internet age, so its adjust or die. Stack asks them to take a chill pill on the issue, and learn to live with the web, but more than that is required. It is simply impossible for democratic centralism (of the type that the SWP leadership insists upon) to remain a viable model for the future.
 
redcogs said:
Eventually the comrades will need to adapt to the changed circumstances that four decades of free market chaos have delivered. The secrecy and the constriction of debate that the CC have depended upon are no longer possible in an internet age, so its adjust or die. Stack asks them to take a chill pill on the issue, and learn to live with the web, but more than that is required. It is simply impossible for democratic centralism (of the type that the SWP leadership insists upon) to remain a viable model for the future.
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True
 
imposs1904 said:
Fair enough thinking it, I guess. Bit daft putting it in writing . . . especially when he knows that it will turn up on a non-Party blog. :D
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It could be that he sees a certain amusement value in having these non party bloggers post something up that describes themselves as filth.

And anyway, it's playing to the gallery in the SWP to put the boot into external critics.
 
Nigel Irritable said:
It could be that he sees a certain amusement value in having these non party bloggers post something up that describes themselves as filth.

And anyway, it's playing to the gallery in the SWP to put the boot into external critics.
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I think it's a dodgy word to use, tbh. Even if I was Robo-Swappie, I'd feel uncomfortable with the use of that word.
 
"Filth" is a very non specific swipe at net users. Stack knows this, for he is one such, but must feel it is worth the risk of upsetting a few who are not regarded as recruitable 'periphery'.

Maybe it is a positional bid on his part?
 
Top man Stack. Don't lose people who are genuine, sort the mess, jettison the parts of the platform who are beyond redemption.

"My starting point is that I want the essentials of our politics to be maintained whilst loss of membership is minimised. I realise getting that balance right is going to prove very tricky to say the least. Anyway, here goes."
 
Yeap the Platform need to read Stack carefully "the CC seemed to be declaring war on the minority and, in my opinion, in the process were allowing people with very substantial differences to leap into the vanguard of those comrades who were troubled, unhappy and unsure." In other words lets stop fucking each other over about things that can be easily resolved so we can deal with the real enemy not by expulsions but politically.
 
imposs1904 said:
eta: and for your next mind trick. Who's hidden John Molyneux's spine and where have they put it?
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JM has missed his chance to be the reasonable peace-maker here through having firing his salvo too early. Good. He's shown people like me, who had a lot of respect for him, where he actually stands when the pressure is on. And I think the centre of gravity of the eventual settlement will be a good bit to the 'left' (so to speak) of where he stands.
 
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