SWP expulsions and squabbles

[barney_pig]

Nice to have some swappies back, are you aware that discussing party conference matters on this forum, even to defend the party, is considered an expellable offence? Ask mk12.

 

[barney_pig]

Santiagotalk details clearly were discussed. From how much women drank, to whether they had slept with people, to how they felt. One of the women alleging sexual harassment was talking about her experience. Can't you see how bizarre it was to discuss all this in front of 500 people while the alleged rape victim stood outside, and presumably the alleged rapist sat inside the hall. It's insane.

And so what if the woman who asked to speak to the conference had asked not to be identified up until that point? Can't she change her mind?

I've told you how this should be sorted. It is a serious criminal matter, and if possible should be dealt with by the police. As I said what next, the SWP investigating a murder case? Also if it does end up as a criminal case how can the SWP won't know it won't be done for intefering in a criminal case?

If you think this is the end of the matter you are massively mistaken. Apart from anything else the sexual harassment allegation hasn't even been formally heard yet!

The SWP, making the Catholic Church appear open and sympathetic to the victim

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

They seem to have totally lost the plot. Can anyone imagine Labour Party conference discussing a rape allegation, with the woman outside on the pavement? You seriously couldn't make this up. I suspect quite a few SWPers will look back on this in a few years and won't be able to believe that they were part of it.

 

[Plumdaff]

I've told you how this should be sorted. It is a serious criminal matter, and if possible should be dealt with by the police.

Somebody on SU claims to have spoken to the police about a different matter and having been told that an internal investigation without police involvement might be considered to have corrupted the evidence and could be considered criminal in itself. Does anyone on here with any legal knowledge know if that is hyperbole? It would be really shitty for the women involved if they decided to get the police involved only to discover this charade had fucked it up for them.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

That must be a serious possibility. Something like this could really screw up a criminal investigation. And as said could possibly be a criminal act in and of itself. It's all totally shameful.

 

[Santiagotalk]

Santiagotalk details clearly were discussed. From how much women drank, to whether they had slept with people, to how they felt. One of the women alleging sexual harassment was talking about her experience. Can't you see how bizarre it was to discuss all this in front of 500 people while the alleged rape victim stood outside, and presumably the alleged rapist sat inside the hall. It's insane.

And so what if the woman who asked to speak to the conference had asked not to be identified up until that point? Can't she change her mind?

I've told you how this should be sorted. It is a serious criminal matter, and if possible should be dealt with by the police. As I said what next, the SWP investigating a murder case? Also if it does end up as a criminal case how can the SWP won't know it won't be done for intefering in a criminal case?

If you think this is the end of the matter you are massively mistaken. Apart from anything else the sexual harassment allegation hasn't even been formally heard yet!

I dont intend to get into an aurgument with you comrade, I voted to reject to Dispute Committee Report. When I said this is the end of the matter I was saying that the case was constitutionally at an end. It is up to the comrade to make up her mind were she goes from here.

The impact of this case as been very great througgout the SWP and I am sure that internally changes will be made. I think we all have had enough of utter maddness.

 

[discokermit]

I dont intend to get into an aurgument with you comrade, I voted to reject to Dispute Committee Report. When I said this is the end of the matter I was saying that the case was constitutionally at an end. It is up to the comrade to make up her mind were she goes from here.

The impact of this case as been very great througgout the SWP and I am sure that internally changes will be made. I think we all have had enough of utter maddness.

i think the only way changes will be made is if you force them through.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

i think the only way changes will be made is if you force them through.

If they try that the CC will wreck the SWP though

 

[mk12]

Comrades, we have to welcome the fact that we have a disputes committee. We have no faith in the bourgeois court system to deliver justice.

 

[Fedayn]

If they try that the CC will wreck the SWP though

After all they've made it into a shining model of wonder this past few years.... This decision might go some way to wrecking that frankly rotten organisation.

 

[discokermit]

If they try that the CC will wreck the SWP though

 

[discokermit]

that frankly rotten organisation.

i don't completely agree. as can be seen from the transcript, there's still a lot of good amongst the rotten.

 

[Santiagotalk]

If they try that the CC will wreck the SWP though

No I think a lot of people would like the CC towreck the SWP. Dispite our shortcomings the SWP is not going away we will continue to fight the class war to the best of our ability.

 

[Fedayn]

i don't completely agree. as can be seen from the transcript, there's still a lot of good amongst the rotten.

Well if those members who dissented simply carry on with the 'decision' it doesn't say much for them. We shall see.

 

[discokermit]

Well if those members who dissented simply carry on with the 'decision' it doesn't say much for them. We shall see.

i can't see this going away in a hurry.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

By the way you seem to think I'm in the SWP! I'm not. But all the best in changing your organisation, personally I think anyone wanting change will have to start afresh.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

By the way you seem to think I'm in the SWP! I'm not. But all the best in changing your organisation, personally I think anyone wanting change will have to start afresh.

I thought you were in the SWP???

What group are you a member of then, SP?

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

I can't see how anyone could stay in an organisation after that. Surely it would make you seriously think what kind of organisation you had got yourself involved in?

 

[Santiagotalk]

Nice to have some swappies back, are you aware that discussing party conference matters on this forum, even to defend the party, is considered an expellable offence? Ask mk12.

O Fuck, well there you go. Lol

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

I'm not in any organisation! Well unless you count my union branch.

I was having a go at the SP earlier in this thread, basically saying the way they operate and their political methodology is little different from the SWP. But I guess they can say they haven't done this circus!

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

Why did everyone seem to think I was in the SWP lol?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Why did everyone seem to think I was in the SWP lol?

just the way you have shown slavish devotion to them since you started posting here

 

[cesare]

Why did everyone seem to think I was in the SWP lol?

The only reason that I thought you might be was when you didn't dispute you'd been at the conference. Before that I'm sure I've seen you clearly say that you're not a member of any political group.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

just the way you have shown slavish devotion to them since you started posting here

I think you've got the wrong poster. If anything people have said I've had a go at the SWP and SP too much.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Somebody on SU claims to have spoken to the police about a different matter and having been told that an internal investigation without police involvement might be considered to have corrupted the evidence and could be considered criminal in itself. Does anyone on here with any legal knowledge know if that is hyperbole? It would be really shitty for the women involved if they decided to get the police involved only to discover this charade had fucked it up for them.

In child sexual abuse cases it certainly would be considered as corrupting the evidence. As to criminal charges I don't know although I suppose perverting the course of justice crossed my mind. @agricola will know

 

[cesare]

Have you just grassed up the SWP to a serving police officer? By summoning him.

 

[emanymton]

looks like

 

[Mrs Magpie]

You are aware this is a public forum accessible to people who aren't registered?

 

[cesare]

Yes, and that's a risk that people take. Actively summoning the OB goes beyond that though.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

He rarely posts out of this forum and is a very long standing poster so forgive me if that strikes me as a touch disingenuous.