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".... said that what Delta did in his spare time was his affair and was to be separated from his politics. Corin went on to say that he was “neither for nor against rape” but “for the social revolution” . He went on to say that Aileen’s letter was a provocation orchestrated by the state machine in order to smash up and destroy the party"
 
barney_pig said:
".... said that what Delta did in his spare time was his affair and was to be separated from his politics. Corin went on to say that he was “neither for nor against rape” but “for the social revolution” . He went on to say that Aileen’s letter was a provocation orchestrated by the state machine in order to smash up and destroy the party"
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Confused with that quote. Is it from the Independent? Bastards want me to pay a sub to read the linked to Independent article.

Whatever else you can say about Corin Redgrave, he's always played a bastard well on screen and on the stage. Question is: did he learn it at the Royal National Theatre or at the knee of Gerry Healey?
 
brogdale said:
I'm sure that they are genuinely held views, often forged through experience of oppression. I'm also perfectly prepared to accept that the complainants decison not to engage the agents of the bourgeois state was instinctive and her own, but...in placing trust in the party she appears to have been let down.

Whilst it is ideologically consistent for the party elite to offer an alternative to state justice they appear to have been woefully ill-prepared to deliver a fair and effective service to its member(s). IMO this does relate to the democratic deficit of the Leninist model and, in particular, the absence within their political practice of those forms of social relations, decision-making, culture, and human experience that are the ultimate goal of the proclaimed revolution.
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Ever thought of taking up politics as a hobby?
 
barney_pig said:
".... said that what Delta did in his spare time was his affair and was to be separated from his politics. Corin went on to say that he was “neither for nor against rape” but “for the social revolution” . He went on to say that Aileen’s letter was a provocation orchestrated by the state machine in order to smash up and destroy the party"
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http://stayingred.wordpress.com/staying-red-html-version/#Contents
Norman Harding appears to have been Healy's pimp
 
I also have ratners book, an interesting read, hHarding's book follows the same pattern, but without the saving grace of seeing through the bastard early on. A line which made me jump was the opening of 'the letter' which triggered the coup against Healy,
"During the course of action on the Manchester Area certain practices have come to light as to the running of Youth Training by a homosexual and the dangers this holds for the party in relation to police provocation. I believe the Political Committee was correct in stating that a cover-up of such practices endangered the Party from a serious provocation."
That was in 1985, not 1955!
And this:
"On two occasions Healy told two of the girls not to go with black men as black men carried diseases. This can only be described as a racist remark and not the remark of a communist."
More pertinently for the subject of this thread, the WRP also considered itself qualified to investigate rape:

"In 1964, after the Control Commission of Investigation Comrade Healy gave an undertaking that he would cease these practices, this has not happened and I cannot sit on this volcano any longer."
 
Can we please stop pretending there is any comparison between the WRP and the SWP. Politically or 'sexually'. The dc of the SWP agonised and split over whether there was an outside chance that delta might have harassed someone. if any of them had imagined for a second that he had actually raped someone, let alone had a history of repeated rape, he'd have been out the door quicker than you can say 'Where we stand'. The WRP leadership knew of a repeated pattern of rape and suppressed it. And some of them positively revelled in their 'Bolshevik' morality in doing so. Two totally different traditions and sets of practices.
 
Bakunin said:
The Daily Heil's got hold of it now:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...alist-Workers-Party-cleared-comrade-rape.html
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A pretty fair report! And this is revealing, that the shitter hole that the SWP have made for themselves without the Mail having to make anything up!
I was concerned that they printed photos of the female dc members, but seeing what they had done, perhaps they cannot complain ( tho they will).
Also all those photos have been previously printed in SWP publications.
Well done to the mail for doorstep ping Delta's house.
 
bolshiebhoy said:
Can we please stop pretending there is any comparison between the WRP and the SWP. Politically or 'sexually'. The dc of the SWP agonised and split over whether there was an outside chance that delta might have harassed someone. if any of them had imagined for a second that he had actually raped someone, let alone had a history of repeated rape, he'd have been out the door quicker than you can say 'Where we stand'. The WRP leadership knew of a repeated pattern of rape and suppressed it. And some of them positively revelled in their 'Bolshevik' morality in doing so. Two totally different traditions and sets of practices.
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Total crap, the cc of the WRP split, and the majority expelled Healy and his rape denying gang. Your supine bunch of Toadys loved up to delta and told the sluts to fuck off. You are an apologist for the rape deniers
 
barney_pig said:
A pretty fair report! And this is revealing, that the shitter hole that the SWP have made for themselves without the Mail having to make anything up!
I was concerned that they printed photos of the female dc members, but seeing what they had done, perhaps they cannot complain ( tho they will).
Also all those photos have been previously printed in SWP publications.
Well done to the mail for doorstep ping Delta's house.
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Fair? There was no show of hands at conference to decide if anyone was raped. Hurrah for the doorstepping Blackshirts!
 
bolshiebhoy said:
Can we please stop pretending there is any comparison between the WRP and the SWP. Politically or 'sexually'. The dc of the SWP agonised and split over whether there was an outside chance that delta might have harassed someone. if any of them had imagined for a second that he had actually raped someone, let alone had a history of repeated rape, he'd have been out the door quicker than you can say 'Where we stand'. The WRP leadership knew of a repeated pattern of rape and suppressed it. And some of them positively revelled in their 'Bolshevik' morality in doing so. Two totally different traditions and sets of practices.
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I see you're still acting instinctively. Is living in denial so strong in your leninist dna?
 
Bakunin said:
The Daily Heil's got hold of it now:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...alist-Workers-Party-cleared-comrade-rape.html
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The other members of the disputes committee were: Maxine Bowler, 54, from Sheffield, a community worker who once had a review of a play about Mary Shelly published in Socialist Worker online; Esme Choonara, 50, author of a Rebels’s Guide To Trotsky and a London Ambulance Service employee; Amy Leather, 37, from Manchester, a regular contributor to the Socialist Worker newspaper who was involved in the protest camp outside St Paul’s Cathedral; Londoner Pat Stack, chair of the appeals committee that overseas expulsions from the SWP; and, finally, Rhetta Moran, also from Manchester, trained rape counsellor and founder of a refugees’ charity.
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:eek:
The Gulag?
 
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