SWP expulsions and squabbles

[butchersapron]

oh yeah, i were looking at the wrong dates.

This was from when a8 was militantly opposed to labour, that's why he remembers so clearly.

 

[articul8]

This was from when a8 was militantly opposed to labour, that's why he remembers so clearly.

If they hadn't fucked up the SA I wouldn't have been forced to go back to Labour as the only game in town.

 

[butchersapron]

If they hadn't fucked up the SA I wouldn't have been forced to go back to Labour as the only game in town.

If my wife hadn't forced me to send my kids to private school

 

[sihhi]

you sure he didnt, or if he just said he didnt? I know some (eg Nigel, north london organiser in the nineties) who would say they didnt know anything about other left groups, or earlier IS splits, just because they didnt think rthey should be discussing such things with 'ordinary' members.

I think you have a point there - there might be a basic line about it - not the person's fault.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

If they hadn't fucked up the SA I wouldn't have been forced to go back to Labour as the only game in town.

 

[butchersapron]

you sure he didnt, or if he just said he didnt? I know some (eg Nigel, north london organiser in the nineties) who would say they didnt know anything about other left groups, or earlier IS splits, just because they didnt think rthey should be discussing such things with 'ordinary' members.

What about non-members that you're trying to attract?

 

[redcogs]

I see you - his endless tweeting of and every Financial Times article related to the Eurozone crisis.

Good internet also allows a bizarre form of unspoken 'get your graves as close as possible to Marx'.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=489889014&l=d2ea2e6bcd&id=640375117

First post here.

my eyes lit upon reading this reference to Marx's headstone. As a kid my home was in Cornwall, and our next door neighbour ( it was a small council estate in St Tudy) worked at the nearby De Lank Granite Quarry through the 1950/60s. He was a lovely bloke, and he took pride in being the one who had responsibility for cutting and supplying the enormous cube of stone that ultimately became Karl's head at Highgate. i've been amused by this fact on and off down the years, but i now believe that If there is an award for proletarian credentials i ought to be in with a shout.

A bit off topic i know, but i was involved with the swp for a long time until the 1990s, and all this collapse stuff has me a bit nostalgic.. but, as an 'outsider' i'm firmly with the reformers.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

you sure he didnt, or if he just said he didnt? I know some (eg Nigel, north london organiser in the nineties) who would say they didnt know anything about other left groups, or earlier IS splits, just because they didnt think rthey should be discussing such things with 'ordinary' members.

Pesky 'ordinary' members wanting to know something about the organisation they've joined!

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[imposs1904]

I've been in there! Saw a jolly pleasant film and had a jolly nice cup of tea and a biscuit afterwards. No one even mentioned the word "socialism". It was all very pleasant. Bit like visiting the vicar. Although I've never done that so I wouldn't know.

what was the film? it wasn't one of those zeitgeist films, was it. it would explain the lack of the s-word.

 

[sihhi]

First post here.

my eyes lit upon reading this reference to Marx's headstone. As a kid my home was in Cornwall, and our next door neighbour ( it was a small council estate in St Tudy) worked at the nearby De Lank Granite Quarry through the 1950/60s. He was a lovely bloke, and he took pride in being the one who had responsibility for cutting and supplying the enormous cube of stone that ultimately became Karl's head at Highgate. i've been amused by this fact on and off down the years, but i now believe that If there is an award for proletarian credentials i ought to be in with a shout.

A bit off topic i know, but i was involved with the swp for a long time until the 1990s, and all this collapse stuff has me a bit nostalgic.. but, as an 'outsider' i'm firmly with the reformers.

Welcome redcogs excellent story

 

[imposs1904]

First post here.

my eyes lit upon reading this reference to Marx's headstone. As a kid my home was in Cornwall, and our next door neighbour ( it was a small council estate in St Tudy) worked at the nearby De Lank Granite Quarry through the 1950/60s. He was a lovely bloke, and he took pride in being the one who had responsibility for cutting and supplying the enormous cube of stone that ultimately became Karl's head at Highgate. i've been amused by this fact on and off down the years, but i now believe that If there is an award for proletarian credentials i ought to be in with a shout.

A bit off topic i know, but i was involved with the swp for a long time until the 1990s, and all this collapse stuff has me a bit nostalgic.. but, as an 'outsider' i'm firmly with the reformers.

never gets old:

 

[redcogs]

Tears rolled down the cheeks as i viewed that. Thanks.

 

[butchersapron]

I have to add Seymour to the smug face gallery:

Look at me, i'm cleverer than you. I say ensemble instead of frame.

 

[killer b]

has there ever been a columnist who doesn't have a punchable face, at least in their byline pic?

 

[butchersapron]

Btw, here is Rees on the Spanish Civil war on the ISLAM CHANNEL. He sounds a bit dry.

 

[butchersapron]

has there ever been a columnist who doesn't have a punchable face, at least in their byline pic?

No. But you don't have to make it worse by smug eyes.

 

[killer b]

No. But you don't have to make it worse by smug eyes.

they have a makeup artist at the graun who specialises in getting them just so.

 

[SLK]

A long piece by "Kevin Crane" on Tom Walker's blog:
http://rethinkingtheleft.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/is-interventionism-finished.html

Describes the SWP national centre as a self-contained city-state like the Vatican

I think this is a poster on here - Gramsci I think his name was.

 

[co-op]

what was the film? it wasn't one of those zeitgeist films, was it. it would explain the lack of the s-word.

No it was one of the episodes of The Power of Nightmares, that Adam Curtis thing that was on TV. Not quite sure where they were planning to go with the post-fillum chat ideologically, like I said they hadn't got going after about 30 minutes of standing round rattling cups and saucers so I said thank you and left.

Socialism's loss.

But my gain, a cuppa and a bicky to be precise.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

I have to add Seymour to the smug face gallery:

Look at me, i'm cleverer than you. I say ensemble instead of frame.

I know it's wrong but I have hated that picture and that face since I first saw them. Awful, awful self important, smug man. I never understood how he was so respected in the party.

 

[killer b]

No it was one of the episodes of The Power of Nightmares, that Adam Curtis thing that was on TV. Not quite sure where they were planning to go with the post-fillum chat ideologically, like I said they hadn't got going after about 30 minutes of standing round rattling cups and saucers so I said thank you and left.

Socialism's loss.

But my gain, a cuppa and a bicky to be precise.

what was the biscuit?

 

[butchersapron]

Btw, here is Rees on the Spanish Civil war on the ISLAM CHANNEL. He sounds a bit dry.

This is mental as well, he has the collectivisation happening before the generals revolt, wtf. (I know is well ott but fucking hell)

 

[butchersapron]

I think this is a poster on here - Gramsci I think his name was.

Someone here posts under that name so you better be a bit more than think rod.

 

[co-op]

what was the biscuit?

Can't remember, I think it was old skool - but that could just be the vicar's tea party feel.

A Garibaldi would have had that 19thC nationalism+radicalism combo, I hope we can assume not a Bourbon.

 

[imposs1904]

I know it's wrong but I have hated that picture and that face since I first saw them. Awful, awful self important, smug man. I never understood how he was so respected in the party.

careful now. he might just join the swindon labour party to spite you.

 

[killer b]

Can't remember, I think it was old skool - but that could just be the vicar's tea party feel.

A Garibaldi would have had that 19thC nationalism+radicalism combo, I hope we can assume not a Bourbon.

pink wafer is the biscuit of the people.

 

[co-op]

pink wafer is the biscuit of the people.

I think you'll find the people's wafer is deepest red, comrade.

 

[imposs1904]

Can't remember, I think it was old skool - but that could just be the vicar's tea party feel.

A Garibaldi would have had that 19thC nationalism+radicalism combo, I hope we can assume not a Bourbon.

that vicar's tea party that you've never ever attended?

i'd hazard a guess it there was a pound shop handy, that's where they got the biscuits.

 

[butchersapron]

Empty people empty biscuits.

 

[imposs1904]

Empty people empty biscuits.

forward that onto nigel blackwell. it could be an album track title.