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It happens though. I think your social scene point is a very good one and one that's not often talked about.

This is/was especially true of Revolution (youth wing of WP). All best mates, slept with each other, didn't leave because they'd lose friends etc.
 
I'm not bothered if you *are* criticising, no worries. But your perception of visibility and mine don't match.

It's not a perception.

Since I returned from the UK 6 months ago I have yet to see ANYTHING in my new home town from ANY radical groups. No posters, no stickers. No stalls. No flyers in the local "alternative cafes", nothing on campus, nothing in the town centre on a Saturday. No up to date websites. No public meetings. No protests. No buses to protests. NOTHING. I don't live in a small town either.

The Green Party on the other hand are reasonably visible.
 
It's not a perception.

Since I returned from the UK 6 months ago I have yet to see ANYTHING in my new home town from ANY radical groups. No posters, no stickers. No stalls. No flyers in the local "alternative cafes", nothing on campus, nothing in the town centre on a Saturday. No up to date websites. No public meetings. No protests. No buses to protests. NOTHING. I don't live in a small town either.

The Green Party on the other hand are reasonably visible.

thats weird when i lived there i always saw class war stickers on lamp posts.
 
thats weird when i lived there i always saw class war stickers on lamp posts.

I see old, faded stuff here and there. SP posters from a couple of years ago. And I once saw a couple of IWW posters. But nothing published in the last 12-18 months.
 
It's not a perception.

Since I returned from the UK 6 months ago I have yet to see ANYTHING in my new home town from ANY radical groups. No posters, no stickers. No stalls. No flyers in the local "alternative cafes", nothing on campus, nothing in the town centre on a Saturday. No up to date websites. No public meetings. No protests. No buses to protests. NOTHING. I don't live in a small town either.

The Green Party on the other hand are reasonably visible.
Abandoned :(

You could organise something yourself?
 
I see old, faded stuff here and there. SP posters from a couple of years ago. And I once saw a couple of IWW posters. But nothing published in the last 12-18 months.

where's this? sorry, just being nosey.

fwiw, it was always my experience that swp members "in the sticks" were not as snotty as the ones you'd encounter in the big cities. maybe it was just something in the local water supply but I'm guessing they just didn't have the numbers to throw their weight about.
 
where's this? sorry, just being nosey.

fwiw, it was always my experience that swp members "in the sticks" were not as snotty as the ones you'd encounter in the big cities. maybe it was just something in the local water supply but I'm guessing they just didn't have the numbers to throw their weight about.

Reading.

Yeah, in smaller towns "rival" groups often coalesced into a joint scene.
 
Reading.

Yeah, in smaller towns "rival" groups often coalesced into a joint scene.

My experience matches yours. There was a clear divide in my area between the SWP and the non-SWP left, which included the AWL, SolFed, Labour lefts, old CPers and social centre anarchists. If the SWPers did leave the party, I can't see them joining this "joint scene" though.
 
I could. I won't though.

I'm not upset about the absence of any activist scene.
But Reading's not immune from cuts (for example) or workfare, or benefits sanctions. I suppose I wasn't really thinking about direct action as a 'scene' more as activity if that's important.
 
I nearly joined counterfire and was told there was one other guy 50 miles away. So yeah in the sticks it's labour or nothing.
 
Reading.

Yeah, in smaller towns "rival" groups often coalesced into a joint scene.

your local football team is sponsored by Waitrose. You're lucky you even have a local Labour Party. ;)

I'm showing my age again but I'm sure Proletarian Gob was produced out of Reading.
 
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I nearly joined counterfire and was told there was one other guy 50 miles away. So yeah in the sticks it's labour or nothing.
Aha. Now I think I am beginning to understand your complex beliefs. Your occasional defence of the SWP CC and membership of Swindon Labour Party are not as contradictory as they seem if we understand you as a political masochist, who loves the flick of the central authority's whip.
 
Aha. Now I think I am beginning to understand your complex beliefs. Your occasional defence of the SWP CC and membership of Swindon Labour Party are not as contradictory as they seem if we understand you as a political masochist, who loves the flick of the central authority's whip.

The Labour party doesn't need to wield a whip against it's activists.
 
Aha. Now I think I am beginning to understand your complex beliefs. Your occasional defence of the SWP CC and membership of Swindon Labour Party are not as contradictory as they seem if we understand you as a political masochist, who loves the flick of the central authority's whip.
He's in Swindon Labour party? With Andy Newman :hmm:?
 
But Reading's not immune from cuts (for example) or workfare, or benefits sanctions. I suppose I wasn't really thinking about direct action as a 'scene' more as activity if that's important.


Yeah. I'm not talking about activity. There's always something to be done. I'm talking about a scene. A package of activism with a ready-made social circle and busy calendar. Something to fill the void that SWP refugees would immediatly feel.
 
your local football team is sponsored by Waitrose. You're lucky you even have a local Labour Party. ;)

I'm showing my age again but I'm sure Proletarian Gob was produced out of Reading.
I have vague memories of all kinds of itersting things being produced witha c/o address at the rising Sun institue in Reading. i walj past that place most days now. Its a sad looking building now.
 
Incidentally, the loss of friends is another parallel with people who have immersed themselves in a cult finding it very difficult to escape.

Eta: and the threat of some form of dis/excommunication being a way for cults to keep their people in line.
 
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