They were both once members though. He's never been!outside of resistancemp3 and bolshiebhoy I always considered Rosen their most unabashed fellow traveller.
SWP expulsions and squabbles
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Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
How do you guys find this shit on facebook. I have an account, and I use it to organise poker meetups, laugh at people online, and show family pictures of my family. I recently re-friended Renton, who I've always respected. But how would I find people "all over this"?
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I find it difficult to get a handle on what he thinks (just slimming over all his posts at the moment), I don't think he is going to jump sides, but I get the feeling he is grumbling privately
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Lol but I'm convinced there must be thousands of us dotted round the place. for evey person who leaves the SWP in disgust or in disagreement there must be at least one who left or never joined just out of lack of revolutionary zeal or whatever. And those of us like that will still tend to instinctively side with the party on most things.outside of resistancemp3 and bolshiebhoy I always considered Rosen their most unabashed fellow traveller.
I hate that fucking book! My daughter fortunately never chooses it either. I genuinely don't see that it's any good at all - even for kids.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
my son fucking loves that book. absolutely loves it. and for that I can forgive Rosen most things.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
I agree with this. I don't think he'll jump - if I had to guess he'll just remain neutral and maybe he'll be "busy" during Marxism. Which I actually think is up in the air - ie if the CC force through their NC meeting expulsions and so on I think Marxism won't happen or will be tightly controlled and become an education camp or something.
I promise I do the noises and make it theatrical and that. I don't think she gets it to be honest (she's a week old).
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
He's sort of saying Democratic Centralism is wrong, but says only some of SWP's problems are due to DC. An external cloaked way of saying 'sort yourselves out decommission Delta, but keep the CC as it is' he's not publicly saying I won't go to Marxism and he does go to Marxism pretty much every year.
Michael Rosen 3 days ago in Lenin's Tomb said:
http://www.leninology.com/2013/01/new-swp-blog.html#disqus_thread
Also worth noting that Michael Rosen has shared several platforms in 2011 and 2012 with Delta himself as part of Unite Against Fascism on defending multiculturalism - he isn't asking any particular public questions at all.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Ditto. I had a very odd conversation with my lad tonight because his mum (I made the mistake of mentioning Rosen and this stuff) told him the book was written by a guy who likes rapists. He was muchly upset!
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
I'm really not trying to be snarky but I think you might be kidding yourself on there. When you think of the thousands who have been through the SWP the last 35 plus years, it's kind of shocking that there aren't "thousands of" you "dotted round the place" who retain some sort of residual admiration for their political past. It's in direct contrast to the history of the old CP and it's ex-members.
What? I'm not one to comment on your personal or family life, but I feel like I have to say that...
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
You could be right, I honestly don't know. I suppose the SWP was always more of a revolving door than the cp for many reasons so yeah my ratio of disgruntled to simply disconnected might be a tad optimistic ;-)
I genuinely think they are up in the air. If (as I suspect) the CC remain in place and force through the discipline, they'll not have a significant layer of cadre at their disposal. That affects planning for a number of events.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
it's the first book that he's learnt by heart, and up until a few weeks ago he would read and act it out about 15 times a night. He's now moved on to 'Go Away Big Green Monster' which, despite the title, was not written by a member of the Spiked Online team.
Sorry, I really must stop derailing this thread. I'm playing into the hands of the SWP's CC.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
bolshiebhoy
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imposs1904
Thread Killa'
I'm still trying to get my head around you and Newman both being members of the Swindon Labour Party. It's like an episode of Bill Brand that they never got round to broadcasting.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Yes, although it does seem likely at this point that the CC's deadline will pass without 20% of branches passing motions. And, assuming that to be the case, the CC will try to use the NC to pull people back into line.
Then the question is, do they continue to sit on their hands, and hope the hard oppositionists walk, or do they start the purge. Either way, it's going to get even messier.
It is so utterly out of character for them to have sat back and allowed this continued impertinence for so long. They must have been absolutely terrified of pushing the vacillating middle over to the opposition, and of getting crucified in the press again.
I think that Callinicos' piece suggests a purge, as does the only statement we have from the CC. Anything else is basically them resigning given that piece. And they cannot possibly allow anyone behind the oppositionists (though we should remember they aren't all agreed!) webpage to not be expelled.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
That's a good question. There are too many variables: How big a purge to go for, what those first booted out do, how the rest react.
OK, I mean Seymour, China, and those at the height. Unless they "realign" the party or whatever is being demanded, the people behind the oppositionists will need to be expelled. I guess they could hold a recall conference, win the argument, and keep them, in theory. But no.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
I didn't believe you and then I made the mistake of googling it. Hahahahaha.
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