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SWP expulsions and squabbles
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imposs1904
Thread Killa'
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I recognise about 4 names, only one of which was actually in he party, as far as i know
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They are talking as people who have spoken at Marxism or written for its publications. not members - and a lot of them have the serious sort of semi-mainstream soft left or academic clout the SWP have long courted them for. Shame on your for only knowing 4!
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
I think it could be argued that Bakan, McNally, Post, Power and Kellogg are biggish names in this small pond we're all swimming in.
And I understand via facebook that Conor Kostick has added his name to the letter.
Well that is 17 fewer people who will be at Marxism this year. I wonder if Tony Benn will add his name to this list?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes, no one would go to listen to these people. That's why they have previously been invited to Marxism. For lack of draw and credibility.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
I know they are - I am being dubious about whether they are really 'in the IS tradition'.
& I'm guessing David McNally isnt the one who made Coyote ugly.
Sorry, I have edited my incomplete post.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They didn't claim to be though. And as we all know, only the CC can decide what the IS tradition is and how it should be used as an internal flaming sword of justice.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
I wrote tradition as a catch all term.
Wasn't McNally the leader of the Canadian section of the IST for many years before an earlier split?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
but as I was replying to imposs1904, who did say they were...
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
"A
long‐time member of the International Socialists and later the New
Socialist Group..."
apparently
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Hence your quoting me in the post rather than him
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
I just vaguely remember that years ago - showing my age - that McNally and Bakan especially were high profile speakers at Marxism. The nineties? I'll happily be corrected by list members who have the SWP as their specialist Mastermind subject.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Is this a Lance Armstrong style sponsor drift - doesn't look like it at this point.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
Abbie Bakan wrote the great lie: why the ussr isn't socialist, which was the main pamphlet setting state capitalist theory out when I joined in 1985
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
shit hot on Kronstadt too
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Absolutely he inspired that Girls Aloud track on that bootleg that was unfortunately wthdrawn .
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
abbie's short for abigail
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Forward to the (new) future comrades!
What a bizarre illogical lead-in to the (filthy lying - wow is this what professors really publish?) article as well.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Agree with butchers this letter is a blow, these are heavy hitters. On the other hand it's no secret that the US and Canadian branches of the IS have been making their peace with academic feminism for a while and the explicit reference to sexism in the letter will not endear the signatories to the middle ground loyalists. Much safer and more damaging if they'd just stuck to the handling of a high profile allegation rather than implying a general problem within the party.
Oisin123
So Much for Subtlety
McNally was prominent in the Canadian IS,I heard him speak at Marxism in the late 80s. He's been banging on with a, in my view mistaken, argument about Marx on the rate of profit for years. I see that the ISJ last had an article about him in 2003, although there is a much more recent debate over a review he wrote of an SWP book. Do I get to score my point?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You are on a dangerous path.Yeah after looking at Kronstadt there was no excuse for it.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
let's see how you do in the general knowledge round.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
abigal said:
abigal said:
Kill 'em abigal, the survival of the party is at stake. Not your tenured gender prof job. These desperados - why are the SWP always producing them?
TremulousTetra
prismatic universe
I wonder how Oisi123 has misconstrued their true intention, when PM VP BA 'have' explained it so clearly, WHERE????????????????
I have never said I am not aware the structural determinism some anarchists engage in, all I have done is invited them to flesh out this analysis. something they have steadfastly refused to do.
you mean like the SP and the Socialist Alliance?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
maybe. i think the party does good work in my area though and there are a lot of people i respect in it. i don't think that looking into the history and ideas behind this stuff is a bad thing though and dont really have any respect for the idea of lenin and trotsky being some sort of jesus-like figures that must never be questioned.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I wonder how Oisi123 has misconstrued their true intention, when PM VP BA 'have' explained it so clearly, WHERE????????????????
I have never said I am not aware the structural determinism some anarchists engage in, all I have done is invited them to flesh out this analysis. something they have steadfastly refused to do.
you mean like the SP and the Socialist Alliance?
I can add Oisin's post 3746 to the vast list of stuff you have failed to read or understand; you really are the daftest of brushes.
Louis MacNeice
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