Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Let me encourage you to do this. Actually, while it wouldn't be as amusing, the number alone would be of interest.
SWP expulsions and squabbles
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Let me encourage you to do this. Actually, while it wouldn't be as amusing, the number alone would be of interest.
bolshiebhoy
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5
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Actually more than I thought there'd be at this point. The real issue is whether that's a start or the end.
I wonder how many branches have discussed and voted against motions on this.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
You left the party, right?
discokermit
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go on then.
discokermit
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does that include swss branches?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
he did yeah
SpineyNorman
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Yes. I somehow managed to do that without turning into the peasant bloke off the holy grail.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
You are only encouraging him.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
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Start a thread with more info. My trainspotting knows no national or ideological borders
bolshiebhoy
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6 now.
bolshiebhoy
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But the sad ting is they have to ask each other on FB to find out. What century are we in?
SpineyNorman
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but not to join another, then?
I did eventually but that wasn't why I left, I spent a couple of years desperately trying to avoid even thinking about political engagement.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Not the same one as the Leninists.
SpineyNorman
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SpineyNorman
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Nor the same planet as you it appears.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Oh...doesn't sound good.
Apart from youthful daliance with Labour, I've never joined a party. there have been times when I've envied those who have the 'faith' to join...but, looking back, I'm now glad that I didn't go through that experience. I'm not sure I'd have any optimism left if I had.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I doubt if there'll be too much interest in a major split in what was, after all, merely the largest anarchoid grouping in France and thus not something of any great importance.
Also, I don't really have all the details. As I understand it though, it's mostly a split between the semi-functional mini-union bit of the CNT and the ideological anarchoids. More than half of the members have left to form the new CNT-Solidarite Ouvriere, which takes its place at the head of the massed ranks of CNTs (I believe they are up to four by now). There are accusations of financial shenanigans and theft flying around and members have apparently taking to swiping books off each others stalls.
audiotech
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An understanding of class forces
Optimism has nothing to do with political hackery and everything to do with class.
Optimism has nothing to do with political hackery and everything to do with class.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Sometimes I'm more optimistic than others.
audiotech
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Sometimes
Do you sometimes make sense?
Do you sometimes make sense?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Sometimes.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Battle of the Giants
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Sorry if the repartee disappoints, but I'd never before considered that a psychological disposition to expect best possible outcomes was determined by class.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Oisin123
So Much for Subtlety
So there are 67 branches on this list: http://www.swp.org.uk/meetingsandevents and we can assume a lot of branches haven't got their act together to advertise their next meeting. Shall we go for 100 branches in total? Ball park figure, for easy maths and probably an overestimate, which is the right direction to err in for assessing the question of a recall. This means the opposition needs 20. It's very hard to assess the significance of 6 at this stage. If that's 6 after lots of branches have discussed the question, then it's poor. My guess is, however, that as the loyalist line is 'carry on regardless', they won't have had the discussion in the vast majority of branches and thus the opposition are in fact off to a reasonable start.
If any of the 6 are SWSS branches, that's a probably a weakness, although I'm not sure of the relationship between SWSS and the SWP proper these days. I say this because I think the centre will be rule that SWSS branches don't count for this purpose. Morally, they would be wrong in doing so, but I don't think the constitution says anything about SWSS branches, which might provide an excuse.
If any of the 6 are SWSS branches, that's a probably a weakness, although I'm not sure of the relationship between SWSS and the SWP proper these days. I say this because I think the centre will be rule that SWSS branches don't count for this purpose. Morally, they would be wrong in doing so, but I don't think the constitution says anything about SWSS branches, which might provide an excuse.
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