SWP expulsions and squabbles

[dennisr]

Where in my post did I say anything was hopeless?

Are you denying that this is the way it usually goes for former low-level activists?

I'm not saying you did (note the copywrite)

 

[discokermit]

Yes, there's less imbalance than in the SWP internal relationships than there is in a worker/employer relationship, but more than there ought to be!

who's arguing otherwise? except maybe your cleaner?

 

[Athos]

who's arguing otherwise? except maybe your cleaner?

My point was that the analogy wasn't as without value as Spiney seems to suggest.

She is no more, by the way. I reexamined my conscience and realised that, whilst I could cobble together a justification, deep down I knew it was wrong.

 

[two sheds]

it's the same as the relationship between a dominatrix and her gimp

 

[SpineyNorman]

Its value is purely polemical though. It doesn't tell you anything about the way the SWP operates, which is what's important.

 

[The39thStep]

My point was that the analogy wasn't as without value as Spiney seems to suggest.

She is no more, by the way. I reexamined my conscience and realised that, whilst I could cobble together a justification, deep down I knew it was wrong.

These are quite reliable http://www.merrymaids.co.uk/

 

[Athos]

Its value is purely polemical though. It doesn't tell you anything about the way the SWP operates, which is what's important.

It highlights it. But I can see we're not going to agree.

 

[emanymton]

SWP members certainly believe they're only allowed to form factions in the 3 months - and I can't see there being much point in them making you dissolve if you can just set it up again the next day.

You Couldn't set up again on the next day that would be a permanent faction, but in theory a faction could exist for a a whole year between two conferences. But yes the 3 month thing is commonly believed.

 

[Athos]

These are quite reliable http://www.merrymaids.co.uk/

It wasn't a question of reliability, but of politics. And one in respect of which I erred.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Someone needs to join the SWP and try to set up a faction - it's the only way we'll settle this one. I doubt they'd have me back so someone else had better do it

 

[emanymton]

Someone needs to join the SWP and try to set up a faction - it's the only way we'll settle this one. I doubt they'd have me back so someone else had better do it

Sod that, I'll just concede the argument. You win. But it was a dirty trick

 

[The39thStep]

It wasn't a question of reliability, but of politics. And one in respect of which I erred.

Don't know what their politics are tbh but I know a couple of people who work for them , one's labour and the other ones partners used to vote BNP but he is a UKIP supporter. I am not sure that you get a lot of anarchist types as cleaners.

 

[Athos]

Don't know what their politics are tbh but I know a couple of people who work for them , one's labour and the other ones partners used to vote BNP but he is a UKIP supporter. I am not sure that you get a lot of anarchist types as cleaners.

Not their's, mine. But I think you knew that.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Can the Anarcho-bore who is determined to turn this entire thread into a particularly tedious and stupid variant of the Anarchist FAQ please fuck off and die under a rock somewhere? Nobody is fucking interested.

 

[Random]

Can the Anarcho-bore who is determined to turn this entire thread into a particularly tedious and stupid variant of the Anarchist FAQ please fuck off and die under a rock somewhere? Nobody is fucking interested.

Now we see the violence inherent in the system

 

[brogdale]

You Couldn't set up again on the next day that would be a permanent faction, but in theory a faction could exist for a a whole year between two conferences. But yes the 3 month thing is commonly believed.

How depressing that folk with revolutionary desires should submit themselves to such oppressive and petty bureaucracy.

 

[barney_pig]

In a Leeds branch the question of who goes to conference was decided democratically, with a young woman comrade delegated to go, unfortunately, the district treasurer was also in the branch and was defeated. Within three weeks the young woman and her husband had been expelled for 'secret factionalising', and the district treasurer was free to go to conference

 

[Nigel Irritable]

How depressing that folk with revolutionary desires should submit themselves to such oppressive and petty bureaucracy.

Pompous clown.

 

[Athos]

Pompous clown.

Of all the adjectives to describe a clown, pompous is one of the least obvious.

 

[barney_pig]

Did he enjoy it?

She

 

[brogdale]

Pompous clown.

Not very conducive to meaningful discussion, and somewhat oxymoronic.

You seem anxious to close down examination of SWP structural and ideological weakness; why so?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I see by the way that everyone's favourite dog on a string collective the CNT-Vignoles has just split down the middle, with much yelling and screaming about thieving and the like. A shining example of the superiority of Anarchist organisational methods I'm sure we can all agree.

 

[Belushi]

Can the Anarcho-bore who is determined to turn this entire thread into a particularly tedious and stupid variant of the Anarchist FAQ please fuck off and die under a rock somewhere? Nobody is fucking interested.

I am, and I'm not an anarchist.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Not very conducive to meaningful discussion, and somewhat oxymoronic

You are a boring prick.

 

[audiotech]

She

SK was it?

 

[SpineyNorman]

How depressing that folk with revolutionary desires should submit themselves to such oppressive and petty bureaucracy.

lol you're such an annakissed

 

[bolshiebhoy]

What NI said!

I can see I'm gonna have to name the branches who voted for recall to stop this.

 

[Random]

lol you're such an annakissed

You can't say that, that's one of our words.

 

[SpineyNorman]

What NI said!

I can see I'm gonna have to name the branches who voted for recall to stop this.

DO IT!

 

[SpineyNorman]

You can't say that, that's one of our words.

That's not very annakissed of you, oppressing me in my use of language and that