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I always though I was one of the last years to get a full grant (88-91) because I remember go on on a demo opposing the abolition of grants. Looking back, not all the students even bothered their arses to demonstrate about that.:rolleyes:
 
poster342002 said:
in rsponse to my earlier "I give up"


Yes - I've spent nigh-on 20 years banging my head on a political wall. That wall is still standing, utterly undamaged, while my head now hurts like fuck. I can only draw my own conclusions ...
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PM (if you prefer) as to what you mean by that - ie what you claim to have been active/involved in that has resulted in such depressive trauma. i am sorry to say this but I simply do not believe you given you have never ever given concrete examples of any damned thing you have actually DONE - just repeated your tedious mantra for the last I don't know how many posts.

I wish you would 'give up' - at least bothering to repeat the same old record - it sounds like its been stuck for the last 20 years.

I keep bring you up on this but you never ever answer the question - feck, were you in the WRP for decades or something :) (i think not...)
 
poster342002 said:
And here's another thing: the left as a whole has not come up with any strategy to counter the (now standard) "stonewall and ignore" tactic used by management and the powers-that-be at large in any kind of dispute. Letters from unions go unreplied, strikes just ignored etc etc and the movement just carries on beeliving that the managemet/govt "will have to" acknowledge them at some point (well, guess what? They don't "have" to do anything of the sort as there's no way to make them). The left go on saying this right up to the point the case is finally and utterly lost and the management get what they want.
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stuck record... (when are you going to tell us what this stategy is poster...)

why do i get the impression you would not listen to any strategy if it was put forward - for fecks sake

lets be very, very frank (my last word on the subject - i've given up trying to get anything other than a braindead response from you) - folk like you really crawl up my arse mate - for fecks sake - your depressive crap is simply the other side of the very same coin you go on and on and on and on and on about - it is so fecking tedious. Its exactly the sort of crapulence that means we ALL remain in the shitstick situation we all live under regardless of weather we are left, right or halfway up our own backsides. "Its all hopeless", "we cant win", "why bother" - I really wish folk like you would crawl back under the gloomy stone you crawled out from under. I am sorry idf that sounds a little bit impatient - but I have seen the do nothing doomsayers so, so many times standing on the sidelines waiting for handouts from the achievements of others who actually got off their arses. wankers - just like the wankers you are so quick to condemn (but without anything to add that they could learn from)
 
Chairman Meow said:
I always though I was one of the last years to get a full grant (88-91) because I remember go on on a demo opposing the abolition of grants. Looking back, not all the students even bothered their arses to demonstrate about that.:rolleyes:
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So did I. I graduated in 1989 when the ERA came into being and the grant was worth fuck all. We demonstrated against the changes but after 1990, a lot of students couldn't be arsed. Thatcher got her wish: a politically disengaged student body more concerned with mindless consumption than owt else. Around this time a lot of SU buildings were beginning to change their names from the Nelson Mandela Building to the Jim Bowen Building (sic).
 
dennisr said:
stuck record... (when are you going to tell us what this stategy is poster...)

why do i get the impression you would not listen to any strategy if it was put forward - for fecks sake
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Try coming up with one that works (and hasn't demonstrably failed a million times previously) and I'll listen. That's aimed at the left as a whole, not you in perticular, dennisr.

I admit I don't have any answers anymore. I'm out of ideas. We need new ones - and as it's the left that's so full of it's own sense of importance and wise knowledgableness ...
 
i demonstrated in the 80s against proposed cuts in the grant, went on a big march in london, students seemed very politcally active then, several coach loads of us went up from swansea to london, I don't know any students now so i have no idea of how radical/active they are nowadays
 
poster342002 said:
Try coming up with one that works (and hasn't demonstrably failed a million times previously) and I'll listen. That's aimed at the left as a whole, not you in perticular, dennisr.
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I would concurr with this comment as well. The old ways of doing stuff has patently failed but groups still do the same marching from a to b or pisspoorly supported strikes and waiting for management to act decently. It don't fuckingtt work!
 
dennisr said:
PM (if you prefer) as to what you mean by that - ie what you claim to have been active/involved in that has resulted in such depressive trauma.
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All manner of minor-to-major TU type struggles plus other episodes. ALL of which ended in abject failure - and in one cases the near-destitution, bankruptcy and nervous breakdown of somone forced out of their job.

dennisr said:
i am sorry to say this but I simply do not believe you given you have never ever given concrete examples of any damned thing you have actually DONE - just repeated your tedious mantra for the last I don't know how many posts.
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To be honest, I'm past caring. Believe me or don't - it won't make any differnece anyway.
 
poster342002 said:
To be honest, I'm past caring. Believe me or don't - it won't make any differnece anyway.
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Jezeus H Christus, why bother then? - the sobbing and dobbin forum is thataway ----> (this is politics you may not have realised yet?!)

I appreciate you may personally have had a hard time of it (you will never be straight about it though) - a) do you think you are the only person on the planet and b) why does that give you the right to impose that on other people.

You have nothing to say - so say nothing.
 
KeyboardJockey said:
I would concurr with this comment as well. The old ways of doing stuff has patently failed but groups still do the same marching from a to b or pisspoorly supported strikes and waiting for management to act decently. It don't fuckingtt work!
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And heres another one...

So whats the NEW WAY ? - come on, like many thousands of other facing the daily grind - I am desperate to know...

There seems to be so many experts and egos on how hopeless it all is - its a shame not one of them can even begin to put forward a coherent alternative strategy beyond hanging around internet forums telling everyone els how hopeless it all is (or is that the feckin strategy???)
 
you can bet the feckin scaby studdents use similar excuses to those above to do what they do (or don't do...) as well...

(in fact one of the folk using them has earlier discussed how scabbing was the only option... blah, blah, blah, its all hopeless... blah... - please get some self respect)
 
dennisr said:
I appreciate you may personally have had a hard time of it (you will never be straight about it though) - a) do you think you are the only person on the planet and b) why does that give you the right to impose that on other people.
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No - that's just it. I know I'm not the only person - I've seen plenty of others. Enough to know that the kitsch-left are living in a deluded fantasy land where occasionally life's "bad guys" ocassionaly loose. In fact, they don't. The bad guys ALWAYS fucking win. Every time.
 
poster342002 said:
No - that's just it. I know I'm not the only person - I've seen plenty of others. Enough to know that the kitsch-left are living in a deluded fantasy land where occasionally life's "bad huys" ocassionaly loose. In fact, they don't. The bad guys ALWAYS fucking win. Every time.
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<PRESS REPEAT>
 
poster342002 said:
No - that's just it. I know I'm not the only person - I've seen plenty of others. Enough to know that the kitsch-left are living in a deluded fantasy land where occasionally life's "bad huys" ocassionaly loose. In fact, they don't. The bad guys ALWAYS fucking win. Every time.
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handwringing liberal
 
dennisr said:
And heres another one...

So whats the NEW WAY ? - come on, like many thousands of other facing the daily grind - I am desperate to know...

There seems to be so many experts and egos on how hopeless it all is - its a shame not one of them can even begin to put forward a coherent alternative strategy beyond hanging around internet forums telling everyone els how hopeless it all is (or is that the feckin strategy???)
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OK give me an hour or so and I'll forulate a strategy.
 
Chairman Meow said:
I always though I was one of the last years to get a full grant (88-91) because I remember go on on a demo opposing the abolition of grants. Looking back, not all the students even bothered their arses to demonstrate about that.:rolleyes:
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Me too plus a couple of years getting loans whe nthey came out - ended up wiping the debts (order the cheque guarentee card and a load of cheque books each term from a new bank while waving latest grant cheque at them) out by living in europe for a few years - they havent caught up with me yet and its 10+ years later :)
 
KeyboardJockey said:
Either that or poster works in the sort of environments that I have.
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Got to admit I just could not face the thought of being a form pushing civil servant - that would be enough to depress anyone (others seem to manage though)
 
What's the marvellous one they did on Moviedrome where the bad guys gun down all the captured townsfolk at the end?

Almost as bad as working in an office.

(Edit: this one, I think.)
 
Donna Ferentes said:
What's the marvellous one they did on Moviedrome where the bad guys gun down all the captured townsfolk at the end?

Almost as bad as working in an office.
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It'd certainly maek a good metaphor for the culture of cutbacks and vicous bullying in most of them.

Only, you'd need to inlcude a handfull of pillocks at the end after the massacre insisting there'd been a "brilliant!" fightback by the townsfolk and that the gunmen were definately on the retreat as a result. :rolleyes:
 
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