student scabs

[KeyboardJockey]

I wonder what Jack London would have to say were he transported forward in time to today where he finds majority-scabbing is the norm and only a minority of the workforce heed the strike call?

I wonder that as well. What the fools and fantasists who trot this quote out fail to comprehend is that item was written in the 19th Century and now has no relevance to the world of work today. Back then if a factory went on strike then it had an impact. Now if a factory goes on strike the guv'nor just moves the factory to China or some place worse.

 

[tbaldwin]

I wonder that as well. What the fools and fantasists who trot this quote out fail to comprehend is that item was written in the 19th Century and now has no relevance to the world of work today. Back then if a factory went on strike then it had an impact. Now if a factory goes on strike the guv'nor just moves the factory to China or some place worse.

Good point.
And i think it shows the stupidity of people who argue for 'no borders' etc.
International Labour and Capital has to be better regulated....International Labour rules should be imposed on all multinational companies that trade in the EU.

 

[bluestreak]

depressing thread.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

depressing thread.

It is mostly because its a very depressing subject. The only way of employees expressing a grievance when negotiations have broken down by withdrawing labour has now been neutralised by a combination of globalisation of supply of goods and services, workers not being able to afford not to service their debts, the majority of people being two pay checks from penury, unions assuming support that they don't have, 35+ years of rabid anti union propaganda, mistakes and complacency on the part of unions meaning that people are less inclined to support them.

Its got so bad that I'm not even sure I will bother to join a union in the future if I move jobs.

 

[The Black Hand]

Just out of interest, isnt the NUS run by the National Organisation of Labour Students?
Not that thats relevant.

Do students know what a scab is?
How many of their parents are in unions and are from working class communities? Are these students class conscious?
How much student debt have they got to make them huddle in enclosed vans in order to cross the picket line?
Do they understand the shame of doing that?

Personally I would never cross a picket line and I would shovel shit into some of the blackleg wankers mouths, that I have met. Question is can you really condemn the igonorant even if they are students. These 'kids' havent ever done a real job. That'll probably change when they are working as an IT engineer for the local council and they are told they can only have a 2% pay rise. What with a £200K mortgage, 7or 8 credit cards and a Ford Focus to pay off, they'll soon get militant.

well lets give them a working class education outside of their ivory towers - they will learn quick enough, of that I am sure

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Personally I would never cross a picket line and I would shovel shit into some of the blackleg wankers mouths, that I have met.

Don't think you'd get away with this as more people scab than support strikes you might find your own shovel rammed down your throat if you did that in a lot of places.

That'll probably change when they are working as an IT engineer for the local council and they are told they can only have a 2% pay rise. What with a £200K mortgage, 7or 8 credit cards and a Ford Focus to pay off, they'll soon get militant.

If you believe this you are sadly a resident of fantasy land

 

[nino_savatte]

My lack of erudition seems to be more of a problem for you than it ever is for me nino....And lets face it you have enough problems of your own.

No, not a problem for me but for you. The only person who is harmed by your lack of erudition is you.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino.
You know fuck all about the Royal Family. When was the last time you set foot in Buckingham Palace as a member?

That's right, you come up with another one of your barking mad ideas about HE, you get called on it and you spew out more nonsense like this. This shows your patent lack of erudition, not to mention your inherent bigotry.

 

[poster342002]

I wonder that as well. What the fools and fantasists who trot this quote out fail to comprehend is that item was written in the 19th Century and now has no relevance to the world of work today. Back then if a factory went on strike then it had an impact. Now if a factory goes on strike the guv'nor just moves the factory to China or some place worse.

We still have factories? So far as I can tell, UK capitalism doesn't even proiduce anything useful anymore - being little more now than an appendage to the banking & finance industry (which doesn't even produce a radicalised proletariat of any sort - just a load of ambitious, backstabbing, aspirational, corporate-ladderclimbing wannabes. That the trots probably delude themselves can be "won over" or are already being "radicalised" and "proletarianised" ).

 

[mk12]

 

[poster342002]

tbaldwin & nino savatte,

Can you knock it off with the egg-throwing, please? It's derailing a worthwhile (if rather grim) thread.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

We still have factories? So far as I can tell, UK capitalism doesn't even proiduce anything useful anymore - being little more than an appendage to the banking & finance industry (which doesn't even produce a radicalised proletariat of any sort - just a load of ambitious, backstabbing aspirational, corporate-ladderclimbing wannabes).

I ws referring to the pointlessness of quoting Jack London in the context of the modern world. You are right we don't have factories or we do but they exist on a knife edge.

 

[nino_savatte]

tbaldwin & nino savatte,

Can you knock it off with the egg-throwing, please? It's ruining a worthwhile (if rather grim) thread.

You what? You're a pompous wee fucker, aren't you? I'm ruining nothing. I called baldwin on a point of order, that is my right. Sorry if you don't like it but that's life, pal.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

tbaldwin & nino savatte,

Can you knock it off with the egg-throwing, please? It's derailing a worthwhile (if rather grim) thread.

Yup the playground is thataway. --------->

 

[KeyboardJockey]

You what? You're a pompous wee fucker, aren't you? I'm ruining nothing. I called baldwin on a point of order, that is my right. Sorry if you don't like it but that's life, pal.

But lets debate the issue rather than go to far into a derail.

 

[nino_savatte]

Yup the playground is thataway. --------->

Don't you fucking start...or maybe you agree with baldwin's ill-informed nonsense? When was the last time you set foot in a uni as a student? Serious question btw.

 

[nino_savatte]

But lets debate the issue rather than go to far into a derail.

Yer pal, poster likes to throw his weight around. Tell you what, the next time I see you or poster replying to baldwin as I have, I shall remind you of this moment.

 

[poster342002]

I ws referring to the pointlessness of quoting Jack London in the context of the modern world.

I know, I was just chipping in with "galows humour" about the near-total absence of even the old "proper" capitalism - which at least produced something at it's end point other than debt, greed and workplace bullying.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Don't you fucking start...or maybe you agree with baldwin's ill-informed nonsense? When was the last time you set foot in a uni as a student? Serious question btw.

Whether I agree or disagree with you or balders is neither here nor there. What I don't want to see is yet another thread derailed and shattered by two handed bickering which has swamped other threads.

As for my experience it was about 15 years ago since I last attended a college.

I should add howver that its not just nino and balders who engage in protracrted two handed bickering.

 

[poster342002]

I'm ruining nothing. I called baldwin on a point of order, that is my right. Sorry if you don't like it but that's life, pal.

Yes, you've done so now - so can we please leave it?

 

[nino_savatte]

I get the feeling that some posters on this thread subscribe to the stereotypical view that all students are "lazy, soap-dodgers". While one should be concerned about s/s being used as scab labour, I have seen some pretty horrendous generalisations about HE and students on this thread. This is what I have come to expect from those persons who have never been to uni and who tend suffer from a form of inverse snobbery as a result.

 

[nino_savatte]

Yes, you've done so now - so can we please leave it?

I'm not taking orders from you, Herr Commandant. Who died and made you moderator anyway?

 

[nino_savatte]

Whether I agree or disagree with you or balders is neither here nor there. What I don't want to see is yet another thread derailed and shattered by two handed bickering which has swamped other threads.

As for my experience it was about 15 years ago since I last attended a college.

I should add howver that its not just nino and balders who engage in protracrted two handed bickering.

There are too many of you quick to blame anyone, but yourselves for the "derailing of threads". I challenged baldwin, that is my right. It was clear that none of you were going to challenge him and that lack of challenge would put you in broad agreement with him.

 

[poster342002]

There are too many of you quick to blame anyone, but yourselves for the "derailing of threads".

It's hard to see how either myself or keyboardjockey could be construed as the ones derailing this thread.

I challenged baldwin, that is my right.

Challenging him is fine, but (and this goes for him as well) proceeding to sink into page after page of inane bitchslapping is just tedious for everyone else.

It was clear that none of you were going to challenge him and that lack of challenge would put you in broad agreement with him.

... and this year's award for "if you're not with us, you're against us" goes to ...

 

[tbaldwin]

Good point.
And i think it shows the stupidity of people who argue for 'no borders' etc.
International Labour and Capital has to be better regulated....International Labour rules should be imposed on all multinational companies that trade in the EU.

Poster this was my last post on the thread....Sorry about the other ones......But i do find phrases like inverse snobbery a bit shite....

 

[nino_savatte]

It's hard to see how either myself or keyboardjockey could be construed as the ones derailing this thread.

Challenging him is fine, but (and this goes for him as well) proceeding to sink into page after page of inane bitchslapping is just tedious for everyone else.


... and this year's award for "if you're not with us, you're against us" goes to ...

Do fuck off and take your exaggerations and patronising tone with you. Anyone would think that you're completely innocent to hear you talk.

You're on ignore.

 

[nino_savatte]

poster342002
This message is hidden because poster342002 is on your ignore list.

I should have done this ages ago.

 

[nino_savatte]

I get the feeling that some posters on this thread subscribe to the stereotypical view that all students are "lazy, soap-dodgers". While one should be concerned about s/s being used as scab labour, I have seen some pretty horrendous generalisations about HE and students on this thread. This is what I have come to expect from those persons who have never been to uni and who tend suffer from a form of inverse snobbery as a result.

So, no comments then? Typique.

 

[poster342002]

Do fuck off and take your exaggerations and patronising tone with you. Anyone would think that you're completely innocent to hear you talk.

You're on ignore.

Yeah, if it makes you feel happier...

.

 

[CyberRose]

I get the feeling that some posters on this thread subscribe to the stereotypical view that all students are "lazy, soap-dodgers". While one should be concerned about s/s being used as scab labour, I have seen some pretty horrendous generalisations about HE and students on this thread. This is what I have come to expect from those persons who have never been to uni and who tend suffer from a form of inverse snobbery as a result.

Heh, nobody likes students! Yes there is a stereotype of students - they just go to Uni to spend three years getting pissed and partying whilst doing no proper work at Uni. I've been to two Unis and I live in Headingley (where all the students in Leeds live) and there are a hell of a lot that fit that category I can tell you! And everyone gets annoyed by students but I think the amount of "student tossers" is far far less than the amount of pefectly "normal" students who are fine and bother no-one.

As far as this thread goes, and as far as how much students are interested (let alone take part in) politics, then I can honestly say that the amount of students that take an interest in politics is miniscule. I don't think the students that broke the picket lines in Liverpool either knew what the consequences of their actions are, or they probably don't care as it's a bit of extra and badly-needed cash for a short amount of work.

Of course, there are politically active students, but the 60s/70s image of left-wing active students simply does not exist any more. The vast majority of them sadly, imo, only care about going out and generally being "cool"