student scabs

[poster342002]

Crap and not very representative is it?

It's overwhelmingly representative in my (and probably for anyone who'se not a trot) experience. Try stepping out of this forum into the employment a bit more often and seeing what's going on - what the prevailing reactioanry workplace attitudes are.

In fact, this is a microcosm of what happens in the workplace: the trot union activists in one room engaged on their TU work - insisting there's "loads of anger! solidarity! A will to fight the bosses!" while in actual fact all that's going on out on the workfloor is backstabbing, bullying and "comrades" in the manager grades trying to get their staff sacked. And you're all blissfully unaware of it - every example brought to your attention must be a one-off example that's unrepresentative of the norm.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

In fact, this is a microcosm of what happens in the workplace: the trot union activists in one room engaged on their TU work - insisting there's "loads of anger! solidarity! A will to fight the bosses!" while in actual fact all that's going on out on the workfloor is backstabbing, bullying and "comrades" in the manager grades trying to get their staff sacked. And you're all blissfully unaware of it - every example brought to your attention must be a one-off example that's unrepresentative of the norm.

This has been my experience of Unions at work. Not all the time just the majority.

 

[audiotech]

It's overwhelmingly representative in my (and probably for anyone who'se not a trot) experience. Try stepping out of this forum into the employment a bit more often and seeing what's going on - what the prevailing reactioanry workplace attitudes are.

I'm employed in an organisation that only has 8 percent of the workforce who have joined the recognised union, so obvious difficulties for me being a union rep like.

However, I'm not as cynical as you so I get on with it and patiently argue and recruit. I leave the wallowing in self pity to others.

 

[poster342002]

I'm employed in an organisation that only has 8 percent of the workforce who have joined the recognised union, so obvious difficulties for me being a union rep like.

However, I'm not as cynical as you so I get on with it and patiently argue and recruit. I leave the wallowing in self pity to others.

Small clarification: I meant step into the "employment" branch of these forums, rather meaning to say than just employment per-se.

 

[stupid kid]

This wouldn't have happened in my day. These days too many students are ignorant of politics. I reckon this began back in the late 80's with Thatcher's desire to rid campuses of left wing activity. Thatcher identified the SU's as hotbeds of left wing activism and tried to make membership of the NUS voluntary.

It's not students it's just people in general, if 50% of people are going to go to uni, well, less than 50% of the population actually votes (I think, fuck looking up figures) then most people will be apolitical.

On a side note, I'm doing politics as my secondary modules and the young tories are the only people who seem to give a toss about politics.

 

[audiotech]

Small clarification: I meant step into the "employment" branch of these forums, rather meaning to say than just employment per-se.

What and be bored stupid by more cynicism? No thanks.

 

[butchersapron]

Dear Geoff,

May I introduce myself as President at Liverpool Students’ Union, my name is Jasmin Claydon-Wallace. Thank you for your query regarding the action of students during the Royal Mail Strike in Liverpool. The recruitment agency in question, The Workbank, is an entirely separate entity to Liverpool Students’ Union. We have no authority over which organisations The Workbank are contracted to and cannot prevent students from working with them.

For any additional queries or information please contact The Workbank directly on 0151 2314964 or email: mblackman@theworkbank.co.uk.



Thank you for your understanding and patience in this matter,



Kind regards,



Jasmin Claydon- Wallace

Compare the spelling on that to the one we got back:

May I introduce myself as President and Communications at Liverpool Students’ Union, my name is Jasmin Claydon-Wallace. Thank you for your query regarding the action of students during the Royal Mail Strike in Liverpool. The recruitment agency in question, The Workbank, is an entirely separate entity to Liverpool Students’ Union. We have no authority over which organisations The Workbank are contracted to and cannot prevent students from working with them.
For any additional queries or information please contact The Workbank directly on 0151 2314964 or email: mblackman@theworkbank.co.uk.

Thank you for your understanding and patients in this matter,

Kind regards,

Jasmin Claydon- Wallace

 

[poster342002]

What and be bored stupid by more cynicism? No thanks.

Well, if you're serious about wanting to see what people are likk out there in most workplaces, I think you'll want to have a look and find out the commonheld attitudes.

 

[audiotech]

Well, if you're serious about wanting to see what people are likk out there in most workplaces, I think you'll want to have a look and find out the commonheld attitudes.

I seriously believe that observing, in a limited way, a few people on a bulletin board, who inhabit a sub-forum, who at the same time tend to rant at all and sundry, is not a scientific method of what people are really like in most workplaces. Neither does it accurately portray commenheld attitudes.

 

[Fledgling]

tend to rant at all and sundry

Surely that should be "at each other"?

As a recent addition to the sprawling leviathan that is higher education I'd have to say that student politics when it does raise its head has to compete with two matters that are more important in most people's eyes. Firstly the course; given that so many people come out of university noadays the onus is very much on distinguishing oneself from all the other graduates. That doesn't just mean higher grades, it means careers talks, interviews, application forms, IT modules thrown in for us to gain "skills" and so on ad infinitum. Secondly a lot of students have to work part-time. What time do you have left? For sport, friends/family and a wee drinky or two perhaps. Most people at university will barely remember 1989 and take the internet, credit cards and consumerism for granted. Most students are not cold heartless evil right wingers or whatever they are portrayed as. They aren't all leaders either and if you dislike the state of student politics you have to come up with solutions and work with what you've got.

Haing said that Manchester University staged a protest over a new building recenlty which apparently went down rather well. But on the day I found out about the forthcoming protest I was also given flyers for about a dozen other things, mostly for clubs. Students get really realy tired of being bombarded wih people competing for their time.

 

[nino_savatte]

It's not students it's just people in general, if 50% of people are going to go to uni, well, less than 50% of the population actually votes (I think, fuck looking up figures) then most people will be apolitical.

On a side note, I'm doing politics as my secondary modules and the young tories are the only people who seem to give a toss about politics.

I can't argue with that. What I tend to find is that many people who consider themselves to be apolitical will often express some very political opinions; be they on the cost of living to the amount of litter and dogshit on the pavements. There are too many people who have been seduced into thinking that politics doesn't matter because politicians are liars and that their interests are better served by being consumers. But consumption is not the democratising force that it is often described as. In fact, it allows us to be exploited by corporations.