Star Wars Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - news and gossip

[SpookyFrank]

TLJ being the most liked star wars film of non-fans and the least liked for many fans seems to be a bit of a thing. It is a shame that the handful of dickheads who hated it because it had an asian women in it rather than because she was a shit character make it hard to have any kind of decent discussion.

I'm a Star Wars fan and I like the Last Jedi because it felt like an actual attempt at storytelling not just a reaminated corpse of former glories like The Force Awakens and every other JJ Abrams movie.

 

[kabbes]

It was a bad attempt at storytelling though.

 

[emanymton]

I'm a Star Wars fan and I like the Last Jedi because it felt like an actual attempt at storytelling not just a reaminated corpse of former glories like The Force Awakens and every other JJ Abrams movie.

What Kabbes said.

And note I said many fans, not all.

 

[SpookyFrank]

It was a bad attempt at storytelling though.

Perhaps we can shake hands on 'flawed'.

 

[kabbes]

Perhaps we can shake hands on 'flawed'.

If by flawed you mean it fundamentally fails to establish any kind of character motivation, fails to allow any character to achieve anything meaningful, fails to establish any character growth and fails to even follow through on its own ideas then sure.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I've still not seen TLJ and I sort of need to because I'm going to see ROS over Christmas when I go to visit my family.

What gets me is that an awful lot of smart people spend an awful lot of time on analysis of these films, and get cross when they're inconsistent or could have obviously been a lot better, when the process for producing a script and plot absolutely makes them dumb and shows no signs of ever doing otherwise. I have no problem with critique that goes way beyond the actual film - it's great, in fact, to do, I dunno, a feminist critique of TFA, or one analysing references from the original three vs samurai films - but to expect that one should be better and be bitterly disappointed when it isn't, nah.

 

[T & P]

I’ve heard of you liked the force awakens you’ll like this one , but if you liked the last Jedi you won’t like this one , but what does the internet know ? My boss won’t let me come in late so I can go in and see it at 7.30 am , however I’m really tired at the min so may go and have a kip then see if I can get into a midnight showing , then turn up at work tomorrow and fall asleep , that will learn him lol

TLJ being the most liked star wars film of non-fans and the least liked for many fans seems to be a bit of a thing. It is a shame that the handful of dickheads who hated it because it had an asian women in it rather than because she was a shit character make it hard to have any kind of decent discussion

The internet has inadvertently enabled misogynists, racists and organised far-right communities to artificially distort public ratings, which sometimes makes platforms such as IMDB pretty unreliable, but if you can factor that in and ignore certain public-voted reviews, I like to speculate most Star Wars fans can be grouped like this:

- People old enough to have been around during the release of the original trilogy have the lowest estimation for the prequel trilogy, with most of them absolutely despising it. This group is also the most critical towards storyline inconsistencies or canon breaches in the latest trilogy and the prequel one.

- Second generation fans (born in the mid 80s to the late 90s) are a bit more receptive to the prequels whilst still dissing them on the whole.

- Third gen fans born from late 90s onwards have much more favourable views towards the prequel trilogy while naturally being less impressed with the now dated visual effects of the original trilogy. Indeed they don’t hold the original trilogy in anywhere near the reverence we first gen fans do.

But then when it comes to the new trilogy everything breaks down. People seem to love one and dislike the other with no discernible pattern. I for instance keep thinking than most genuine first generation fans, and in particular those who name Empire Strikes Back as their favourite film, would be completely mad not to agree that Rogue One is brilliant and by some margin the best SW film since the original trilogy, but many of my firs gen friends disagree. And there’s zero consensus about episodes VII and VIII as well.

 

[T & P]

It was a bad attempt at storytelling though.

The Wacky Races-style slow chase was cringeworthy when you think about it...

 

[kabbes]

TLJ should have finished at the point Kylo and Rey were potentially about to join forces. It was a natural apex for a second film of a trilogy. Everything that happened from that moment on was stupid and undid all the interesting work the film had put in.

 

[krtek a houby]

I loved how Luke continued to grapple with his emotions and regrets, following on from ditching his training halfway through Empire. Of course I'll be there for the new release but I don't see how it can top TLJ.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Some nice moments and promising ideas, though don't think they did the most interesting things with most of them. Ultimately it felt like it was still haunted by ghosts of the original trilogy, at times literally.

As always, now I know what to expect I'll watch it again and probably enjoy more for what it is rather than what I hoped it would be.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I just wish they had actually planned a three film arc. A story doesn't mean anything if you are just making it up as you go along, it needs to be crafted as a whole. Didn't lost teach us that?
The last jedi took in way too many extra characters and pointless side adventures that distracted and bogged down from the main story. I think it could have been ok, but it's a bit of a bloated mess.

 

[dervish]

So the tickets were legit, it was a bit of a weird experience, we had to sit through a badly edited vodafone sponsored video of some interviews and people standing awkwardly in front of a big star war sign, it was a bit pointless but I suppose it paid for it.
The film itself feels incredibly disney, no one is in any real peril no big emotions, lots of bloodless action sequences. Didn't hate it but it didn't feel special, felt like all the big moments were a bit deja vu, they had all been done before in other films. Not sure I'll bother re-watching it and if I'd paid for the tickets or waited up until midnight to see it I would be a bit annoyed, but it was a decent waste of a couple of hours.

 

[Riklet]

Saw it last night cos im in Portugal.

Not bad, not great. Entertaining rubbish. Glad I saw it. Thoroughly self-referential without much new to say. it's incredibly nicey safey... same as Star Wars always has been though so what were these Reddit creeps expecting.

Def not the best or the worst of the saga and some really good acting at points, imo.

 

[T & P]

Just caught again the last half hour of Revenge of the Sith. Undoubtedly the least bad of the prequels, but still pretty cringeworthy at so many levels...

 

[kabbes]

The prequels have Darth Maul fighting with Qui Gon and Obi Wan at the same time, which is a contender for the best 10-20 minutes in all of Star Wars. So I forgive them a lot of their sins for that.

They also have an actual story that an actual writer was trying to tell, properly, over three films. Yes, the story being told was actually a bit bobbins (trade embargoes!). Yes, the execution was wooden (“I hate sand”). Yes, it had some dire characters (Jar Jar). But never did I feel that the storyteller was making it up as he went along and was willing to throw all the plot hooks in the bin just for the pure hell of it.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Just caught again the last half hour of Revenge of the Sith. Undoubtedly the least bad of the prequels, but still pretty cringeworthy at so many levels...

 

[T & P]

The prequels have Darth Maul fighting with Qui Gon and Obi Wan at the same time, which is a contender for the best 10-20 minutes in all of Star Wars. So I forgive them a lot of their sins for that.

They also have an actual story that an actual writer was trying to tell, properly, over three films. Yes, the story being told was actually a bit bobbins (trade embargoes!). Yes, the execution was wooden (“I hate sand”). Yes, it had some dire characters (Jar Jar). But never did I feel that the storyteller was making it up as he went along and was willing to throw all the plot hooks in the bin just for the pure hell of it.

Yes, on that I wholly agree with you. At least they tried to write something original. Compare that with The Force Awakens, which at times seems like a reboot of the original trilogy.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Stuck working in Northampton across the road from the cinema. Just blagged a ticket for 7 quid. 8pm.

Here goes....

 

[ruffneck23]

saw it a few hours ago, been digesting.

I really enjoyed it, came out far happier than I did the last jedi, it's certainly not perfect, and a couple of leaps had to be done, but when it was good it was great, so I can forgive the bits that weren't quite right, I feel if JJ Abrams had done the whole trilogy , things would have jelled more, but all in all , as a fan who saw the first one aged 6 ( or 7 ) It was as good as I could have hoped after this long journey of ups and downs

 

[Nanker Phelge]

I'm happy with that.

Bye bye Star Wars.

 

[Lord Camomile]

One thing I forgot to mention last night (this morning ), Last Jedi basically undermined most of the major plot threads of Force Awakens, and Rise seems to just then undermine and reverse all the decisions made in Last Jedi.

Makes for a bit of a "what was the point?" mess plot-wise, and plaus out more like a tug of war between two directors than a story. Which is a shame, as I like Rian Johnson's output generally, but certainly feels like they could have done with a figure at the helm of the saga ensuring the major plot beats, like the MCU.

 

[N_igma]

It thought the film was very silly but there was enough feel good moments and action sequences that made it feel worthwhile.

 

[Marty1]

My brother has just been to see this and he says it’s virtually a remake of Return of the Jedi.

Wtf are Disney playing at?

 

[8ball]

My brother has just been to see this and he says it’s virtually a remake of Return of the Jedi.

Wtf are Disney playing at?

Remakes are big, and guaranteed cashola.

 

[ruffneck23]

Going to watch it again this morning at 9am

 

[Reno]

My brother has just been to see this and he says it’s virtually a remake of Return of the Jedi.

Wtf are Disney playing at?

What they are playing at is that Star Wars fans want fan service, rather than something original or something which challenges them. I think The Last Jedi was that film. It departed from the formula by making its characters more complex, introducing shades of grey where they’ve previously been black and white and by introducing some unexpected plot turns. Rian Johnson‘s movie had a distinct personality which I think most other Star Wars movies lack. The film was well received with people who aren’t hardcore Star Wars fans but many of the fans hated it.

After all the online hate for Jedi and after Solo flopped, Disney were shitting themselves. So now they did a course-correct and they went back to pure fan service, they undid a lot of what Johnson introduced, giving fans more of the same to keep this cash cow running.

 

[ruffneck23]

Well as a fan it worked for me

 

[ruffneck23]

Just as good the second time

 

[Steel Icarus]

Off tomorrow afternoon to see it. Can't wait.