Star Trek TV series(es) - general discussion of the franchise
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krtek a houby
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I first started watching the animated series back in the early 70s. That's what got me into TOS, which I loved. That's what got me to go to the cinema and watch TMP, which, given all its detractors and its faults, I still loved. After WOK, I didn't go and see a Trek film for quite some time. I got restless and didn't get back into the franchise until about 2nd or 3rd series of TNG. Was hooked and watched most of season 1 and 2, which weren't always good. Couldn't wait until DS9 came out and loved that, too. Even if it took a while to move beyond the static (as DLR says) eps. Never caught the last season, although watched the finale.
When First Contact came out, I was ecstatic and went to see it twice. Hadn't done that for a while. Got into Voyager, although never caught the last season. I may have seen the finale but can't remember a damn thing about it. When 7 of 9 arrives, Voyager really changes gear.
Next up was Enterprise. Watched half of season 1 and gave up. Although, DC did recommend certain eps, which were in the final season and well worth watching. I may go back and try it again some day.
Didn't get excited until the JJ films came out (haven't seen the 3rd). Currently loving STD
and will continue to do so, although with my Trek history, I'll probably end up missing the last season.
I have met people who speak Klingon, so I'm not the biggest fan. I like lots of sci-fi etc but Trek will always have a place in my heart. Except for this one
Wondering will Michael or Sarek ever reference Sybok?
When First Contact came out, I was ecstatic and went to see it twice. Hadn't done that for a while. Got into Voyager, although never caught the last season. I may have seen the finale but can't remember a damn thing about it. When 7 of 9 arrives, Voyager really changes gear.
Next up was Enterprise. Watched half of season 1 and gave up. Although, DC did recommend certain eps, which were in the final season and well worth watching. I may go back and try it again some day.
Didn't get excited until the JJ films came out (haven't seen the 3rd). Currently loving STD
and will continue to do so, although with my Trek history, I'll probably end up missing the last season.I have met people who speak Klingon, so I'm not the biggest fan. I like lots of sci-fi etc but Trek will always have a place in my heart. Except for this one
Wondering will Michael or Sarek ever reference Sybok?
maomao
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I'm currently doing the lot on Netflix and am halfway through series four. Haven't decided if I'm going to complete then do Ds9 or alternate from TNG series 7 onwards.
Personally I feel there were some half decent episodes in the first two series and some proper fucking stinkers in series three. Series 3 episode 9 The Vengeance Factor has been the biggest pile of shit so far.
Personally I feel there were some half decent episodes in the first two series and some proper fucking stinkers in series three. Series 3 episode 9 The Vengeance Factor has been the biggest pile of shit so far.
maomao
普費斯
I don't think Subscriber Trunk Dialling wants its letters anymore. And VD is STIs now.
donkyboy
Crazy Cat/Fox man
I first started watching the animated series back in the early 70s. That's what got me into TOS, which I loved. That's what got me to go to the cinema and watch TMP, which, given all its detractors and its faults, I still loved. After WOK, I didn't go and see a Trek film for quite some time. I got restless and didn't get back into the franchise until about 2nd or 3rd series of TNG. Was hooked and watched most of season 1 and 2, which weren't always good. Couldn't wait until DS9 came out and loved that, too. Even if it took a while to move beyond the static (as DLR says) eps. Never caught the last season, although watched the finale.
When First Contact came out, I was ecstatic and went to see it twice. Hadn't done that for a while. Got into Voyager, although never caught the last season. I may have seen the finale but can't remember a damn thing about it. When 7 of 9 arrives, Voyager really changes gear.
Next up was Enterprise. Watched half of season 1 and gave up. Although, DC did recommend certain eps, which were in the final season and well worth watching. I may go back and try it again some day.
Didn't get excited until the JJ films came out (haven't seen the 3rd). Currently loving STD
I have met people who speak Klingon, so I'm not the biggest fan. I like lots of sci-fi etc but Trek will always have a place in my heart. Except for this one
Wondering will Michael or Sarek ever reference Sybok?
Always found Sybok to be a terrible name. sounds like a transformer.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If the federation doesn't have money what does Dax pay for her Raktujinos with at Quarks?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
In TOS and TNG there are several instances of federation officers being issued with money when they're operating in money-using cultures. I assume that as DS9 is technically a Bajoran station, and there is clearly commerce in the atrium, that something along those lines happens here.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
besides as a long lived trill I'm sure dax has stacked up a few P's along the way. Remember Dax was old around in the TOS era
maomao
普費斯
There are also references to people 'getting' drinks for each other in ten-forward on the enterprise. I just watched a Cardassian offer to get Chief O'Brien a drink. What's the point of the gesture if it's just saying 'and an ale'?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Social, innit. Otherwise they'd all be in their quarters using the replicators.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I've also just watched Sisko and Kyra go into a sort of canteen on the promenade with no staff and no bar, just tables and a replicator. He ordered a drink and a fruit pie and offered to obtain her something. She declined, but sat down with him anyway. No money changed hands. Why bother with strips of latinum at Quarks if there are nearby free facilities? (Let alone their personal replicators in their quarters).
I call this the Roy's Rolls Paradox. People who live in Coronation Street buy takeaway cups of tea ten feet from their own kettles. Why?
I call this the Roy's Rolls Paradox. People who live in Coronation Street buy takeaway cups of tea ten feet from their own kettles. Why?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I wondered why you can't replicate dilithium crystals (on the back of the latinum question) and it turns out to have a much less handwavey explanation than 'oh the molecules are too complex'.
There are some crystalline states that can only be caused by rock cooling at a certain rate over a few hundred years. You can't replicate that.
There are some crystalline states that can only be caused by rock cooling at a certain rate over a few hundred years. You can't replicate that.
maomao
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It's regularly said that replicator food isn't as tasty as normal food. Also in the episode 'data's day' Dr Crusher says that replicated material contains numerous 'single bit errors'* so wouldn't have thought you'd want to replicate something as vital as dilithium crystals.
*no I don't have an eidetic memory for star trek episodes, I watched that one on the bus this morning.
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danny la rouge
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Indeed. But by TNG it looks much better than in TOS times.
danny la rouge
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
makes you wonder eh, hopefully the errors all fall within a certain range of what they should be and not say, a bottulism speck.
I've thought about the claim to post-scarcity before and planetsides it seems to be true for the federation but clearly currency will be needed for dealing with aliens and their quaint old ways. But its still putting the lie to 'post scarcity' that they run all starships on one un replaceable, can't be synthesised resource. That simply then becomes the Most Desired Thing which you can trade for material gain. Money doesn't die easy.But then the rodenberry tinged liberalism of TNG could be annoying. Picard is a philsopher captain and so on but I know gunboat diplomacy when I see it. And the Prime Directive is a paper tiger.
I've thought about the claim to post-scarcity before and planetsides it seems to be true for the federation but clearly currency will be needed for dealing with aliens and their quaint old ways. But its still putting the lie to 'post scarcity' that they run all starships on one un replaceable, can't be synthesised resource. That simply then becomes the Most Desired Thing which you can trade for material gain. Money doesn't die easy.But then the rodenberry tinged liberalism of TNG could be annoying. Picard is a philsopher captain and so on but I know gunboat diplomacy when I see it. And the Prime Directive is a paper tiger.
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
I seem to recall a VOY episode (it may have been The Void) where Chakottay reacted with surprise to their stocks of dilithium being stolen by transporter as it was such a common substance ...but that could just be a recent thing (considering the events of UC), or perhaps only in the Delta Quadrant.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I'm on S2:E3 of DS9. It's the third of a string of Tobies. I'm getting the hang of this now. Much better than S1. And the characters are gelling better too.
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
Start working on your top five eps (across all shows) I wanna hear them!
*Off for a think*
*Off for a think*
maomao
普費斯
Do the polls in December. I'll have rewatched them all by then.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
It's well worth it from then on. Lots of characters you end up caring about.
Voyager had some decent episodes but the problem for me was that I hated Neelix SO much that I won't rewatch an episode unless I'm sure he's not in it.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Just started watching from the beginning with The Cage. How many episodes are there to get through altogether?
How many episodes are there to get through altogether?
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Am a bit of a fan, but not going to go into the fine details, but I'll give a short summary.
Started with TOS but dislike most of the animated (seemed non-canon). Next Generation was largely OK, unlike a lot of people I found the later appearances of Q funny, espec the interactions with Troi senior. Some TNG plots seemed almost updates of TOS offerings.
I did find some of the Voyager characters unbelievable (yep, looking at Neelix) and the "darker" aspects of DS9 were irritating at times (and some seemed utterly pointless) didn't like the dominion war. Enterprise was a bit meh, got better with the xindi arc but I wish it hadn't done a war arc.
Films, mostly OK apart from the finding god one (that was truly dire).
However, I've not really bothered with the "re-boot" material, maybe sometime.
Oh, I've quite enjoyed some aspects of the parody aspect in Galaxy Quest (wonder if I'll like orville ?)
Started with TOS but dislike most of the animated (seemed non-canon). Next Generation was largely OK, unlike a lot of people I found the later appearances of Q funny, espec the interactions with Troi senior. Some TNG plots seemed almost updates of TOS offerings.
I did find some of the Voyager characters unbelievable (yep, looking at Neelix) and the "darker" aspects of DS9 were irritating at times (and some seemed utterly pointless) didn't like the dominion war. Enterprise was a bit meh, got better with the xindi arc but I wish it hadn't done a war arc.
Films, mostly OK apart from the finding god one (that was truly dire).
However, I've not really bothered with the "re-boot" material, maybe sometime.
Oh, I've quite enjoyed some aspects of the parody aspect in Galaxy Quest (wonder if I'll like orville ?)
maomao
普費斯
Well over 600Just started watching from the beginning with The Cage.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Answering my own post: 718Just started watching from the beginning with The Cage.
yikes
maomao
普費斯
That's why I've swerved TOS and TAS for the moment.
cybershot
Well-Known Member
Only just spotted this thread. Sorry for the long post.
For me, my first real experiences of Star Trek, were the movies. Sci-fi and computers was something I was very keen on from a very young age. Coming from a somewhat deprived upbringing by a single parent who was working as hard as they could to bring money in and food on the table, meant things like computers were far out of reach, and I would go round friends houses to play games on their Spectrum’s or Commodore computers.
One thing I could do from home, was rent movies. I specifically recall my first Star Trek exposure being Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
This would go on to this day to be my favourite film out of all the Star Trek films.
From there, my young imagination at home would run wild. Whatever I could find to pretend to be a star ship, would be, and whatever I could pretend to be enemy ships, again would be. I didn’t need original figures or toy ships. I had my imagination.
Of course back then, there were only 4 channels on TV. Unlike today, where you can probably find Star Trek in one form or another airing on a channel somewhere, it really wasn’t on TV much, so my exposure again was limited to home movie rentals, and with thing’s like the Internet still a way off. A young boy like me had no idea if and when further movies would appear.
Fast forward to 1990 and my Mum would re-marry. In 1990, a new Star Trek series would air in the UK for the first time. Some 3 years after it originally started in the States!
It turned out my new stepdad was a big fan of the original series. So the first episode of TNG was put on. Encounter at Farpoint. To be honest, as a 10 year old, I found the early TNG episodes slow and pretty boring. My stepdad moaned that the show was practically the same as the show that had come some 20 years before it, even the planet sets still looked crap. I think between the both of us, we got bored of TNG pretty quickly, and it didn’t take long before neither of us continued watching it.
Fast forward again to 1995. Now Satellite TV in the UK has took off, Sky TV grab the rights to domestic football in the UK. This was a massive game changer for UK TV, and it helped subscribers flock to Sky in order to get their fix of football. With it also came all these extra TV channels. Mostly, still airing a load of crap if I’m honest.
I was now a geeky 15 year old, getting home after School would see Sky One put on to watch the X-Men cartoon, and not too long after that at 5pm, Sky decided to start showing Star Trek: The Next Generation at 5pm, every day. This every day part was key. By this time the 6th season on TNG was either airing in the US or about to finish. Sky had the rights to show new episodes also, which meant it arrived much sooner in the UK, but it also meant on weekdays, there would be 6 whole seasons of TNG to get through. Of course when I re-watched Encounter at Farpoint again, I wasn’t expecting to get hooked. Star Trek basically stayed on at 5pm, because nothing else any better was on. I watched those first few episodes of season 1, mainly for nostalgia purposes. As Season 1 finished, I probably still wasn’t that bothered, Season 2 aired and it was much of the same. I think a lot of people will agree that Season 3 of TNG was a game changer. Stories were much better, the direction was better, the show seemed to have a bigger budget, and storylines were just also, better. Now I was hooked. Before I knew it we were through all 6 seasons of TNG. Now what!!!
Deep Space Nine.
Deep Space Nine was fairly new at this point, but Sky decided they would air all the current episodes back to back, suddenly there was more to this world than just the next generation, and with season 7 of TNG about to start, a 2nd season of DS9 on the horizon, and Sky again then opting to show every episode of TNG daily, of which I would watch every episode AGAIN for a 2nd time.
This whole television program was now consuming me.
Books would be purchased. Model star ships would be purchased. Yes. I was turning into one of those. I was turning into. A Trekkie. Star Trek: Voyager would come and go and give another 7 years of adventures in the 24th century.
Then Star Trek: Enterprise came along, and I hated it.
I must admit I still have not seen every episode of the original series. I’m not a huge fan of it, and going back before the original series, kind of annoyed me. There was also continuation parts that didn’t make sense to Star Trek canon. At this point I was very geeky about Trek, and understood the timeline. How can we have a series based before TOS. It’s just going to mess up the timeline.
Like those first few episodes of TNG, I was one of those people that turned off Enterprise early on. It would be a fateful mistake. Not only would it bring an end to Star Trek being on TV. Enterprise once I actually revisited it years later, was actually really good, and because of poor viewing figures from people like me, we lost it far earlier than was intended and I’m sure we missed out on some great stories.
Of course since then we’ve seen a film franchise reboot and, I was really hoping if a new TV series came along, it would explore that original Star Trek timeline from that movie reboot, the destruction of Romulus, and what is happening some 50+ years since the last episode of TNG in the Alpha quadrant, and a chance again for Star Trek to invent future technologies. But with Discovery we are going backwards yet again, and again we’re going for a prequel based before the adventures of Kirk & Spock!
As much as Discovery was a bit of a roller coaster of a ride for me, by the end of it. I really enjoyed it.
I think the oddest thing for me with Star Trek is that the majority of what it's creator was involved in (TOS and those first couple of seasons of TNG) I just don't actually like. I thank him for creating Trek, but for me Rick Berman & Michael Piller created the Star Trek I love.
For me, my first real experiences of Star Trek, were the movies. Sci-fi and computers was something I was very keen on from a very young age. Coming from a somewhat deprived upbringing by a single parent who was working as hard as they could to bring money in and food on the table, meant things like computers were far out of reach, and I would go round friends houses to play games on their Spectrum’s or Commodore computers.
One thing I could do from home, was rent movies. I specifically recall my first Star Trek exposure being Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
This would go on to this day to be my favourite film out of all the Star Trek films.
From there, my young imagination at home would run wild. Whatever I could find to pretend to be a star ship, would be, and whatever I could pretend to be enemy ships, again would be. I didn’t need original figures or toy ships. I had my imagination.
Of course back then, there were only 4 channels on TV. Unlike today, where you can probably find Star Trek in one form or another airing on a channel somewhere, it really wasn’t on TV much, so my exposure again was limited to home movie rentals, and with thing’s like the Internet still a way off. A young boy like me had no idea if and when further movies would appear.
Fast forward to 1990 and my Mum would re-marry. In 1990, a new Star Trek series would air in the UK for the first time. Some 3 years after it originally started in the States!
It turned out my new stepdad was a big fan of the original series. So the first episode of TNG was put on. Encounter at Farpoint. To be honest, as a 10 year old, I found the early TNG episodes slow and pretty boring. My stepdad moaned that the show was practically the same as the show that had come some 20 years before it, even the planet sets still looked crap. I think between the both of us, we got bored of TNG pretty quickly, and it didn’t take long before neither of us continued watching it.
Fast forward again to 1995. Now Satellite TV in the UK has took off, Sky TV grab the rights to domestic football in the UK. This was a massive game changer for UK TV, and it helped subscribers flock to Sky in order to get their fix of football. With it also came all these extra TV channels. Mostly, still airing a load of crap if I’m honest.
I was now a geeky 15 year old, getting home after School would see Sky One put on to watch the X-Men cartoon, and not too long after that at 5pm, Sky decided to start showing Star Trek: The Next Generation at 5pm, every day. This every day part was key. By this time the 6th season on TNG was either airing in the US or about to finish. Sky had the rights to show new episodes also, which meant it arrived much sooner in the UK, but it also meant on weekdays, there would be 6 whole seasons of TNG to get through. Of course when I re-watched Encounter at Farpoint again, I wasn’t expecting to get hooked. Star Trek basically stayed on at 5pm, because nothing else any better was on. I watched those first few episodes of season 1, mainly for nostalgia purposes. As Season 1 finished, I probably still wasn’t that bothered, Season 2 aired and it was much of the same. I think a lot of people will agree that Season 3 of TNG was a game changer. Stories were much better, the direction was better, the show seemed to have a bigger budget, and storylines were just also, better. Now I was hooked. Before I knew it we were through all 6 seasons of TNG. Now what!!!
Deep Space Nine.
Deep Space Nine was fairly new at this point, but Sky decided they would air all the current episodes back to back, suddenly there was more to this world than just the next generation, and with season 7 of TNG about to start, a 2nd season of DS9 on the horizon, and Sky again then opting to show every episode of TNG daily, of which I would watch every episode AGAIN for a 2nd time.
This whole television program was now consuming me.
Books would be purchased. Model star ships would be purchased. Yes. I was turning into one of those. I was turning into. A Trekkie. Star Trek: Voyager would come and go and give another 7 years of adventures in the 24th century.
Then Star Trek: Enterprise came along, and I hated it.
I must admit I still have not seen every episode of the original series. I’m not a huge fan of it, and going back before the original series, kind of annoyed me. There was also continuation parts that didn’t make sense to Star Trek canon. At this point I was very geeky about Trek, and understood the timeline. How can we have a series based before TOS. It’s just going to mess up the timeline.
Like those first few episodes of TNG, I was one of those people that turned off Enterprise early on. It would be a fateful mistake. Not only would it bring an end to Star Trek being on TV. Enterprise once I actually revisited it years later, was actually really good, and because of poor viewing figures from people like me, we lost it far earlier than was intended and I’m sure we missed out on some great stories.
Of course since then we’ve seen a film franchise reboot and, I was really hoping if a new TV series came along, it would explore that original Star Trek timeline from that movie reboot, the destruction of Romulus, and what is happening some 50+ years since the last episode of TNG in the Alpha quadrant, and a chance again for Star Trek to invent future technologies. But with Discovery we are going backwards yet again, and again we’re going for a prequel based before the adventures of Kirk & Spock!
As much as Discovery was a bit of a roller coaster of a ride for me, by the end of it. I really enjoyed it.
I think the oddest thing for me with Star Trek is that the majority of what it's creator was involved in (TOS and those first couple of seasons of TNG) I just don't actually like. I thank him for creating Trek, but for me Rick Berman & Michael Piller created the Star Trek I love.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Just watched the Dax-Jacking episode (DS9 S2:E4). Good moments, but strangely unconvincing. Why did Dax go along with the new host? Why wasn't there more of Dax's personality if the host was such a sap? Also, why does Quark get away with all his wrongdoing? His part in the jacking will presumably be forgiven.
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