Should the fox hunting ban be lifted?

[stethoscope]

Anyone see this in the Mirror?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-healthy-foxhounds---including-6061265

Anyway, in answer to the thread, whilst it may not be the most critical issue given the shit that the Tories are enacting, for both animal cruelty grounds (fox and hound) and as a manifestation of our class system, it needs to stay banned.

 

[DotCommunist]

Anyone see this in the Mirror?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-healthy-foxhounds---including-6061265

Anyway, in answer to the thread, whilst it may not be the most critical issue given the shit that the Tories are enacting, for both animal cruelty grounds (fox and hound) and as a manifestation of our class system, it needs to stay banned.

its a nakedly classist move. Foxhunting really doesn't matter one way or another to a vast amount of peoples lives but they'd vote against allowing it on anti-crruelty grounds. This is just rubbing plebb faces in it 'we're back'

 

[stethoscope]

its a nakedly classist move.

Oh yeah, for sure.

 

[ddraig]

yeah but us city wankers don't understand the cuntryside maaaan!

 

[Orang Utan]

yes i've agreed my posting style is abrasive teach
your posting style leaves a lot to be desired sometimes too
I wish I was as rational and informed as Jeff and could argue calmly but that ain't me.
Also not trying to or my responsibility to win you or anyone over

can't you see the slight arrogance in your and others posts shutting down the opposing viewpoint?

How is anyone shutting down the opposing viewpoint?

 

[ddraig]

by saying how people should say things, that they are doing it wrong and by misrepresenting what they've have actually said

 

[8ball]

yeah but us city wankers don't understand the cuntryside maaaan!

When I lived out in the sticks people were overwhelmingly opposed to fox hunting.

 

[Orang Utan]

by saying how people should say things, that they are doing it wrong and by misrepresenting what they've have actually said

The first two are just observations. They haven't shut anyone up. The third is untrue. It's a bit rum to accuse people of doing this while not contributing anything constructive to the debate.

 

[ddraig]

what are you contributing?

 

[Orang Utan]

what are you contributing?

The posts i have made here. Not just arguing with you.

 

[ddraig]

these you mean? http://www.urban75.net/forums/search/38526350/
and this?

No, I'm just twisting it to suit my own agenda

leaving this now as clearly pointless, well done

 

[Orang Utan]

these you mean? http://www.urban75.net/forums/search/38526350/
and this?


leaving this now as clearly pointless, well done

I have made other posts. Can't see the first one.

 

[ddraig]

those are all your posts in this thread apart from that one ^

 

[Orang Utan]

those are all your posts in this thread apart from that one ^

that's not true. i suggest you look again.

in fact, i think it's a shame that one of my points hasn't been discussed. that we won't forego meat, even if our desire for it leads to the fall of civilisation. i think this is an interesting facet of our humanity. Easter Islanders cut down all their trees - they must have known it would spell disaster, but they did it anyway.

 

[ddraig]

those are all your posts in this thread apart from the couple you've made since, unless search is lying
as i said i'm leaving it as not worth it
enjoy

 

[Orang Utan]

those are all your posts in this thread apart from the couple you've made since, unless search is lying
as i said i'm leaving it as not worth it
enjoy

i've made 30 odd posts. and you talk about misrepresenting!

 

[ddraig]

i've made 30 odd posts. and you talk about misrepresenting!

yeah it says 34 posts, are you still saying they are not all your posts?

 

[Orang Utan]

yeah it says 34 posts, are you still saying they are not all your posts?

you said i only posted two though

these you mean? http://www.urban75.net/forums/search/38526350/
and this?


leaving this now as clearly pointless, well done

 

[ddraig]

no! the first link is a link to all your posts in the thread (up to that point) and one that i quoted

way way OT now

 

[MrSki]

 

[Orang Utan]

 

[deadringer]

much that is acceptable to you you mean
or sugar coated or full of caveats or walking on eggshells?
i know my posting style is abrasive but i do have a view, it's been done 100's of times here and this is off topic, another thread ruined by people with fingers in their ears shouting lalalalalala

This cuts both ways, you know.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I have my quota of the above with my evening meal: 1 carrot and a couple of spears of Broccoli a day, along with MEAT! and some spinach and a chopped mushroom, plus some rice/noodles. I'd rather not eat rice noodles because on top of that i also eat too much bread.

Maybe we need a thread where hardened meat eaters can be talked through making nice veggie food which is cheap to make.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

its a nakedly classist move. Foxhunting really doesn't matter one way or another to a vast amount of peoples lives but they'd vote against allowing it on anti-crruelty grounds. This is just rubbing plebb faces in it 'we're back'

Which was kinda my point near the start of the thread. I oppose fox hunting on a basis of class warfair.

Lets not dress it up as animal rights when you tuck into KFC.

 

[8ball]

Maybe we need a thread where hardened meat eaters can be talked through making nice veggie food which is cheap to make.

So long as we can all agree not to mention the last step of the recipe in the name of intra-board harmony.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

So long as we can all agree not to mention the last step of the recipe in the name of intra-board harmony.

 

[DotCommunist]

Which was kinda my point near the start of the thread. I oppose fox hunting on a basis of class warfair.

Lets not dress it up as animal rights when you tuck into KFC.

I know theres plenty of people who do oppose it on grounds of cruelty and whatnot but visceral hatred of the hunters is my main one. 500 years of arrogance, other peoples lands, other peoples sweat and other peoples blood. Next hunt we should start stringing up rope at neck hieght for a mounted man (and then go to jail forever )

 

[Spymaster]

I rationalise meat consumption quite simply; I like it. As I said, I don't have a problem with it.

I like eating meat too. I also like shooting. A couple of years ago I did a deal with my son; I stop killing and he stops smoking. It went ok for a while but he smoked last summer, got into shooting, and between us we've probably shot about 300 birds since then. We've shot birds, rabbit, and deer together (I've also shot boar but he hasn't).

Everything that I've shot, people have eaten.

You may well have eaten some of it.

I have utmost respect for people like ddraig, editor , and Jeff, who disagree on principle with the concept of exploiting animals for pleasure (because that's what it is, whether it's my pleasure in shooting them, yours in eating them, or a bit of both).

I don't particularly like the idea of chasing a scared animal around the countryside before ripping it up with dogs, but I'm on shaky ground here.

Don't be getting moralistic about killing animals if your way of living demands it.

 

[8ball]

Next hunt we should start stringing up rope at neck hieght for a mounted man (and then go to jail forever )

I'd suggest just doing the first bit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

And your position that it is okay to kill animals for food when there are alternatives is the life blood that factory farming rests upon, without it, it would collapse overnight. 'Humane' meat is part of the symbolic ideology that sustains the animal industrial complex.

Of course, it's the work of omnivores that allows you to get away with eating a vegetarian diet in a northern European climate. Without artificial fibres and central heating, you'd be stuck panda-like, constantly grazing throughout the winter months, not sufficiently nourished by your rice cakes and your tofu & carob surprise.