Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Let's hope yesterday's incident wasn't either a reconnaissance in preparation for a larger attack, or to get lots of people to congregate in one place, again for a further attack.
Shots fired outside Houses of Parliament
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh cos everyone knows withholding information about terrorism's not an offence
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
They raided the address given when the car was rented, among others. Whoever's name is on the document and anyone living with them are likely to be arrested I'd have thought. Chances are people will get picked up for other unrelated things too.
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pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
PACE means a lot more arrests rather than the old "assisting police with their enquires". It's more about interviewing people under caution than to suggest there is evidence of involvement.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Is there still a pta?
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
It was made permanent in 2000, under Blair.
E2A:
Or so I thought. It was replaced in 2000 by the Terrorism Act, which 'superseded and repealed the original PTA. This is the bit I was thinking of, though:
"Section 41 (arrest without warrant)
Section 41 of the Act provided the police with the power to arrest and detain a person without charge for up to 48 hours if they were suspected of being a terrorist.[13] This period of detention could be extended to up to seven days if the police can persuade a judge that it is necessary for further questioning.[14]
This was a break from ordinary criminal law where suspects had to be charged within 24 hours of detention or be released. This period was later extended to 14 days by the Criminal Justice Act 2003,[15] and to 28 days by the Terrorism Act 2006."
Terrorism Act 2000 - Wikipedia
Slightly OT but at work we are all first aiders. We are due for renewals this year. One lad went two weeks back and was shown, on top of the usual first aid at work course, how to apply tourniquets and hydrostatic packs for treating blast injuries. They were told they would be provided by ambulances attending any terror incident.
Also that all ambulances now carry various antidotes for some nerve agents. The establishment appears to accept that at some point in the near future there will be something horrific happen.
Also that all ambulances now carry various antidotes for some nerve agents. The establishment appears to accept that at some point in the near future there will be something horrific happen.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I can't help but think this plays into the hands of those seeking to create a climate of fear (the jihadis, the racists, and the security services). It'd be better if those who weren't directly affected just got on with things as normal. As sad as this is for the families of those who died, in the context of London's statistics on stabbings and road deaths, the numbers are not statistically significant. (Not saying the deaths aren't significant to those who knew them, of course.)
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Tourniquets and trauma dressings yes, antidotes to nerve agents no. Think someone's been getting a tad over excited.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I don't agree. I think the vigil is about people gathering to acknowledge that there has been an attack on random, but ordinary, people in central London and that it is saying, quietly and calmly, that Londoners will not be scared away from going about their business.
Fuck off. Tired of this shit. Quite often if it is not Muslims it drops from the headlines and all those complaining about Jihadis on social media go quiet until the next time.
wiskey
Albatross Admirer
not bog standard ones
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tbh most of the mps who cowered and quaked yesterday will vanish into obscurity without much being known of them
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if you want to say 'londoners will not be scared away from going about their business' perhaps the best way to say it is simply for londoners to go about their business.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
We will be doing that as well. But some of us will be pausing to acknowledge that there has been an attack on random people walking across Westminster Bridge. As in the first part of my post.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and don't forget the policeman.
Athos
Well-Known Member
By not just going about their business?
Over 100 people a year in London are murdered, and over 60 pedestrians killed. So, we're looking a broadly similar figures to what happened yesterday, every week. We don't hold weekly vigils though. Why give this nutter more significance than he deserves?
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
Because terror attacks target everyone, while we may not all be direct victims, we are all tragetted by 'terrorism'?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I can see why people do these things. It makes them feel like they're helping and they want to show solidarity. It's no bad thing, but it's not for me.
Athos
Well-Known Member
The only sense in which they target everyone is that they seek to engender a general climate of fear. An agenda which is furthered by well-meaning people overreacting to such incidents.
Sirena
Don't monkey with the buzzsaw
Nor me. I'm finding the thing getting really mawkish now.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I haven't forgotten the police officer who was killed, but I don't think there would be a vigil in Trafalgar Square if it had just been a police officer who was killed. Besides which, I can see from the thread that there is little sympathy with some urbanites for the death of a police officer.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
we broadcast this morning against a backdrop of sirens and helicopters
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
See the first part of my post.
Sometimes, there are vigils, although not weekly.
This one has been called because what happened yesterday was out of the norm, and it has been decided to acknowledge that through a candlelit vigil. There is no requirement on anyone to join in, but I thought some readers of this thread may be interested, so I shared it.
I am not organising it.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Mawkishness isn't my issue. Some people love a bit of mass grieving (see Diana's death). What bothers me is that, with regard to such incidents, it plays right into the hands of the perpetrators.
Obediah Marsh
Active Member
As with the Boston marathon bombing a few years ago, this could have been much, much worse. Tragic and outrageous as this attack is, a feeling of relief, even levity, is understandable.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
There are often vigils for these things
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