Shots fired outside Houses of Parliament

[Spymaster]

Lord Carlile has blamed cycle lanes for the attack:
Peer blames Westminster Bridge cycle lane for terrorist attack

Good man.

But

 

[chandlerp]

The pavement there is nowhere near wide enough though, which is the point being made.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Talking of cyclists' deaths, it seems some clown has been on the radio talking about how the segregated cycle land on the bridge made it easier for the attacker.

 

[Orang Utan]

The pavement there is nowhere near wide enough though, which is the point being made.

it's wide enough

 

[Pickman's model]

Talking of cyclists' deaths, it seems some clown has been on the radio talking about how the segregated cycle land on the bridge made it easier for the attacker.

yeh as we've just been discussing

 

[JimW]

I think we can all agree this attack justifies whatever agenda it is I'm peddling.

 

[treelover]

I think the 'perpetrator' probably was someone driven to the point of madness and fury by what the interfering West has been doing to civilizations and cultures that he feels a deep affinity with.

I don't think he will have been part of a bigger plan.

Veering towards apologia

 

[treelover]

Whilst I am truly sorry for the deaths that happened yesterday in London, just for a little perspective: Today in Mosul Rudaw are reporting that at least 137 civilians have been killed as a result of airstrikes.

Thats awful, but we are not at war like in Iraq

 

[teqniq]

And? You think successive governments in the UK do not bear a fair degree of responsibility for what is happening out there? Also when they say 'airstrikes' it is useful to remember that almost certainly the US and maybe the RAF were involved.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Among the 29 treated for injuries at hospital were 12 Britons, three French children, two Romanians, four South Koreans, one German, one Pole, one Chinese, one Italian, one Irish, one American and two Greeks.

Am I imagining it, or has the international human value exchange been radically altered recently to the detriment of South Koreans and Greeks?

Westminster attacker was UK-born and known to MI5, Theresa May tells MPs

 

[Pickman's model]

Am I imagining it, or has the international human value exchange been radically altered recently to the detriment of South Koreans and Greeks?

Westminster attacker was UK-born and known to MI5, Theresa May tells MPs

with the frequency with which attackers are known to the 'security' services, you'd think people would begin to wonder how effective these 'security' services are.

 

[Artaxerxes]

with the frequency with which attackers are known to the 'security' services, you'd think people would begin to wonder how effective these 'security' services are.

They've investigated probably half the Muslims in the UK I suspect...

 

[bimble]

Could it be a new policy to not print and publicise his name so as to stop the celebrity bit? Hope so.

 

[brogdale]

with the frequency with which attackers are known to the 'security' services, you'd think people would begin to wonder how effective these 'security' services are.

Almost seems like a tactic; alert spooks to your 'peripheral' nature, wait/sleep to see heat subside, then strike 'under the radar'?

 

[Pickman's model]

They've investigated probably half the Muslims in the UK I suspect...

after 15.5 years you'd have thought they'd done them all

 

[Wilf]

I can't help but think this plays into the hands of those seeking to create a climate of fear (the jihadis, the racists, and the security services). It'd be better if those who weren't directly affected just got on with things as normal. As sad as this is for the families of those who died, in the context of London's statistics on stabbings and road deaths, the numbers are not statistically significant. (Not saying the deaths aren't significant to those who knew them, of course.)

Tend to agree, something along the lines of the Power of Nightmares thesis, the Adam Curtis film from just after 9/11 - don't agree with his whole thesis, fwiw, but he has a point with how events like this are used by the powerful. In staging this attack just outside Parliament it really is as if the terrorists are colluding with those in power to allow them to present themselves as our protector (in practice of course, I haven't gone all conspiraloon). That seemed to happening even last night as the journos and parliamentary correspondents rattled on about this 'symbolic attack' on the mother of parliaments. Partly that was just about who they were, parliamentary correspondents who were likely to rattle on about stuff like that and happened to be in situ when an attack happened. However, I have a feeling its going to be a major theme in the way '22/3' passes into history.

 

[Artaxerxes]

after 15.5 years you'd have thought they'd done them all

I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt at not investigating kids and others... plus you know, government cut backs means theres a hell of a backlog.

 

[Athos]

Almost seems like a tactic; alert spooks to your 'peripheral' nature, wait/sleep to see heat subside, then strike 'under the radar'?

In an age of automated processing of mass comms data, that'd be a terrible tactic.

More likely, there's so many of them with the potential to do something like this, that there's no way to keep on top of everyone - just direct resources at the highest risk, in the knowledge that some low risks will manifest occasionally.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

BBC reporting the attacker was 'British-born'. So that would be 'British', then.

 

[brogdale]

In an age mass comms data, that'd be a terrible tactic.

More likely, there's so many of them with the potential to do something like this, that there's no way to keep on top of everyone - just direct resources at the highest risk, in the knowledge that some low risks will manifest occasionally.

Depressingly, you're probably correct.

 

[brogdale]

BBC reporting the attacker was 'British-born'. So that would be 'British', then.

No use of the heritage word, then?

 

[Athos]

Tend to agree, something along the lines of the Power of Nightmares thesis, the Adam Curtis film from just after 9/11 - don't agree with his whole thesis, fwiw, but he has a point with how events like this are used by the powerful. In staging this attack just outside Parliament it really is as if the terrorists are colluding with those in power to allow them to present themselves as our protector (in practice of course, I haven't gone all conspiraloon). That seemed to happening even last night as the journos and parliamentary correspondents rattled on about this 'symbolic attack' on the mother of parliaments. Partly that was just about who they were, parliamentary correspondents who were likely to rattle on about stuff like that and happened to be in situ when an attack happened. However, I have a feeling its going to be a major theme in the way '22/3' passes into history.

That mother of all parliaments had killed how many with its 'austerity' in recent months. It's a mutually beneficial distraction.

 

[8den]

That mother of all parliaments had killed how many with its 'austerity' in recent months. It's a mutually beneficial distraction.

Christ when did a Monarchy start calling itself the mother of democracy anyway?

 

[Wilf]

From May's statement:



London attack: Theresa May says Westminster assailant was British-born and known to MI5 – live

That sounds to be entirely about the security services and government building their defence about someone, cliché alert, was on their radar.

 

[Orang Utan]

Christ when did a Monarchy start calling itself the mother of democracy anyway?

Surely that's the Icelandic Althing anyway

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Has any MP yet challenged our continued arming of Islamic extremists? In the context of an attack by an Islamic extremist one might think it quite pressing.

 

[Pickman's model]

BBC reporting the attacker was 'British-born'. So that would be 'British', then.

no, british people do not do this sort of thing .'. "british-born" but something else-adult

 

[Pickman's model]

Surely that's the Icelandic Althing anyway

i would have thought it was democratick athens in the auld auld times.

 

[Artaxerxes]

BBC reporting the attacker was 'British-born'. So that would be 'British', then.

Did he have British Values? Am reliably informed you can only be a British Citizen once you obtain those.

 

[Orang Utan]

Did he have British Values? Am reliably informed you can only be a British Citizen once you obtain those.

You only need those if you wish to become a citizen. Only those born British are allowed to disavow them, whatever the fuck they are.