LG once did a promotion for their new smartphone on social media (twitter I think) and underneath the post it stated:
‘sent from my iPhone’
Shoplifting on the rise
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LG once did a promotion for their new smartphone on social media (twitter I think) and underneath the post it stated:
‘sent from my iPhone’
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Sainsbury near me doesn't do that yet although i have heard the local primark has a system like that now.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Have to say the self service checkout was fairly crowded at the sainsburys I was at
not a trot
Well-Known Member
Same here in Farnborough. The Nepalese security team are not to be messed with either.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
the sainsburys near wokingham has had them for a few months.
it's (here) only relatively small barriers, like at the entrance to most supermarkets, not huge gates. i've not tried it, but i'd have thought it's like the barriers in most supermarkets that will open (but sound an alarm) if you push them the 'wrong' way
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
There's a guy who does "bag autopsies." He buys these brands and then runs some tests on them to see what quality they are. Here's his assessment of LV:
He figures up the cost of materials and labor are and compares it to the price. I have yet to see him suggest the LV is a good value. The weird thing is you can get custom leather goods, made to order, or better-quality materials, much cheaper.
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Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
They're also locking huge percentages of their stock up, so you have to have a clerk pull it out of the case for you. I've seen anti-theft designs for the future and none of us are going to like it. They complain that they can't get anyone in their stores and then they make them even more unfriendly to actual humans.
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bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
When are we going to see the resurgence of Robin Hood type capers
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
When are billionaires going to find that they can't build gated communities and walls big enough? You can't endlessly ratchet down on people and expect them not to come after you sooner or later.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Who says that’s not already happening?
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I don't get the point of that? Surely the issue is people not scanning everything not people scanning nothing? Don't see how that helps Sainsbury much.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Security theater. Some types of security are more for show than effectiveness.
2hats
Dust.
There is one near me. I periodically drop in to see if they have one or two particular items that they have stocked in the past, but all too frequently they don't. So I end up with no purchases=no receipt and either following another shopper out through those gates before they shut or simply barging them open. No one seems to pay any attention to the consequent alarm: it's not even worth bothering generating spoof bar codes on the phone to facilitate exit.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Can see why in Farnborough
, not here in Godalming, Cobham's a bit of a surprise, I guess John Terry's mum is the explanation there...
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
They do random checks where they scan 3 items on the scab tills at sainsburys near me. So i guess they could also do that at the gate?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
OK, so they try to save money by getting rid of manned tills and replacing them with self-service machines. But oopsy-poopsy, this means it's much easier and more tempting for people to steal or mis-scan items. So they have to hire extra security staff to check peoples' bags and receipts. But how is that not a false economy? It's my understanding that 1) security bods get paid a bit more than till jockeys and 2) they're hired through an agency rather than being employed directly by the supermarket, which brings in additional costs regardless because that external organisation will want their cut too. If they get supermarket staff to do the checking then there's nothing preventing a customer from just brusquely brushing them off and hopping or pushing through the barrier, especially since fewer people are going to be intimidated into compliance than by security.
Then there's the much less quantifiable but still present thing where relations between supermarket and customers become increasingly degraded and antagonistic because the service is becoming ever more impersonal, and more and more of the interactions that do occur are predicated around staff checking that customers aren't being thieves. Which doubtless encourages more customers to shoplift and mis-scan, thus requiring further measures from the supermarket to protect their stock, alienating customers even more and does this look like a vicious cycle to you?
But then again I've noticed these kinds of self-reinforcing robbing Peter to pay Paul kinds of arrangement have become more common within latter-day capitalism, and I'm an idiot so I very much doubt I'm the only one to spot this. But this kind of pointless self-defeating bullshit gets imposed from on high by upper management because mUh sHoRt-tErM pRoFiTs.
Then there's the much less quantifiable but still present thing where relations between supermarket and customers become increasingly degraded and antagonistic because the service is becoming ever more impersonal, and more and more of the interactions that do occur are predicated around staff checking that customers aren't being thieves. Which doubtless encourages more customers to shoplift and mis-scan, thus requiring further measures from the supermarket to protect their stock, alienating customers even more and does this look like a vicious cycle to you?
But then again I've noticed these kinds of self-reinforcing robbing Peter to pay Paul kinds of arrangement have become more common within latter-day capitalism, and I'm an idiot so I very much doubt I'm the only one to spot this. But this kind of pointless self-defeating bullshit gets imposed from on high by upper management because mUh sHoRt-tErM pRoFiTs.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
I’d bet that a supermarket has lots of metrics like dividing daily store revenue by number of staff hours or something. Get rid of some checkout staff and hire outsourced security instead and Boom! You’ve gone from an Amber to a Green on the scorecard
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Yes I feel that.
Went to my local Marks and Spencer late after work recently to buy some socks.
Only self service tills open that time of evening.
Paid and walking out alarm went off. Showed my receipt. Security said I need to de tag it. I could see no security tag. I do not know how they do it but it was tagged in way that was not visible.
I was tired and this set my off. The security guard obviously altered the manager. Who suddenly appeared.
I asked why alarm went off. Id paid for it. She said I paid at "wrong" till and should have paid at front till. I said that no one on front till that time of night and the self service till did not say authorisation needed. No notice in store to tell one that either.
It then got heated as I was so pissed off with being treated with the "you should have known" angle. Also its fucking socks Not some high price item. Ive bought socks before in M and S and not had this. So this must be recent.
I went home and could not find obvious security tag. So really dont know how they tag stuff like this.
They were starting to accuse me of being aggressive in the passive aggressive way that petty up themselves management do. Like its a privilege to be in the shop and Im supposed to be grateful. So I kept it "civil" as I could.
And yes it makes me antagonistic. What you say is spot on about how customer relationship is going.
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I don't doubt that at all. But I also reckon that whatever metrics and shit they're using don't take into account the complete picture and/or the longer term corrosive effects of the policies and practices they're attempting to justify.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Naturally - they only think from bonus to bonus
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
There was an item on the news about this the other day, the gangs steaming in and ransacking the place. Couldn't understand why it's called shoplifting, they are using the treat of violence to steal, that's robbery, a far more serious offence, max sentence is life.
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
But it's obvious that you should need authorisation to buy socks. You don't want them falling into the hands of children. Particularly as they belong on the feet.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I had similar with a box of strawberries at Tesco once, the security guard wanted to search me in the car park. The easiest thing is just to state that you paid for everything and walk away in silence, anything else just ends up boiling your piss.
High Voltage
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Thought you had to be over the age of 18 to buy socks
High Voltage
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I didn’t realise this was an old thread and have basically just repeated what I said on page 1
At least I’m consistent on this I suppose.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Article on history of shoplifting in 1700s
ehs.org.uk
This sounds like now:
Despite growth in luxury goods most shoplifters concentrated on goods that could be sold on in the working class communities they lived in.
Due to the slave trade/ sugar plantations some in 18c had large disposable income to spend on luxury goods.
London then was as divided as it is now. If not more so. There are parallels between then and now.
Getting caught was serious. As could lead to hanging. But shoplifting was part of poor community economic survival. The goods were basic ones that people needed. Not luxury goods.
It was part of the economy of the working class communities.
Reminds me of some of my older born and bred Londoners colourful pasts they recount to me. Pilfering or a bit of thieving was considered ok. But it was luxury goods such as handbags for the missus. Shared out.
Back in 18c thieving from high price shops was not easy as shopkeepers could tell by accent etc if someone was not "genteel"
More recently in the good old days prior the sophisticated tagging one could dress the part and just walk out. It was having the front to do it ( Ive been told) that enabled one to get away with it. This was one technique. This was admired and socially accepted in certain circles.
Shoplifting/ pilfering has been a part of economic life of the less well off since the advent of consumer society and capitalism Id say.
Shoplifting in Eighteenth-Century England - Economic History Society
by Shelley Tickell (University of Hertfordshire) Shoplifting in Eighteenth Century England is published by Boydell and Brewer Press. SAVE 25% when you order direct from the publisher – offer ends on the 5th March 2019. See below for details. What would you choose to buy from a store if money...
ehs.org.uk
This sounds like now:
Despite growth in luxury goods most shoplifters concentrated on goods that could be sold on in the working class communities they lived in.
Due to the slave trade/ sugar plantations some in 18c had large disposable income to spend on luxury goods.
London then was as divided as it is now. If not more so. There are parallels between then and now.
Getting caught was serious. As could lead to hanging. But shoplifting was part of poor community economic survival. The goods were basic ones that people needed. Not luxury goods.
It was part of the economy of the working class communities.
Reminds me of some of my older born and bred Londoners colourful pasts they recount to me. Pilfering or a bit of thieving was considered ok. But it was luxury goods such as handbags for the missus. Shared out.
Back in 18c thieving from high price shops was not easy as shopkeepers could tell by accent etc if someone was not "genteel"
More recently in the good old days prior the sophisticated tagging one could dress the part and just walk out. It was having the front to do it ( Ive been told) that enabled one to get away with it. This was one technique. This was admired and socially accepted in certain circles.
Shoplifting/ pilfering has been a part of economic life of the less well off since the advent of consumer society and capitalism Id say.
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seeformiles
Lost in the wood
A mate of mine was a shoplifter par excellence and saw it as a challenge. He would pop round the squat we were living in and say “Anybody want anything while I’m in town?”Article on history of shoplifting in 1700s
Shoplifting in Eighteenth-Century England - Economic History Society
by Shelley Tickell (University of Hertfordshire) Shoplifting in Eighteenth Century England is published by Boydell and Brewer Press. SAVE 25% when you order direct from the publisher – offer ends on the 5th March 2019. See below for details. What would you choose to buy from a store if money...
This sounds like now:
Despite growth in luxury goods most shoplifters concentrated on goods that could be sold on in the working class communities they lived in.
Due to the slave trade/ sugar plantations some in 18c had large disposable income to spend on luxury goods.
London then was as divided as it is now. If not more so. There are parallels between then and now.
Getting caught was serious. As could lead to hanging. But shoplifting was part of poor community economic survival. The goods were basic ones that people needed. Not luxury goods.
It was part of the economy of the working class communities.
Reminds me of some of my older born and bred Londoners colourful pasts they recount to me. Pilfering or a bit of thieving was considered ok. But it was luxury goods such as handbags for the missus. Shared out.
Back in 18c thieving from high price shops was not easy as shopkeepers could tell by accent etc if someone was not "genteel"
More recently in the good old days prior the sophisticated tagging one could dress the part and just walk out. It was having the front to do it ( Ive been told) that enabled one to get away with it. This was one technique. This was admired and socially accepted in certain circles.
Shoplifting/ pilfering has been a part of economic life of the less well off since the advent of consumer society and capitalism Id say.
We were invariably stoned so would shout out things like “A pack of C90 cassettes”, “Nice jacket in Topshop I quite fancy”, “Bottle of vodka”, “Dirty magazine”, “Pair of slippers”, etc. and he’d be back a couple of hours later with the lot.
He just had incredible confidence and “front” and was never (to my knowledge) caught but it was the 80s and security wasn’t what it is now.
High Voltage
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A kiddie I went to school with was very much like this. He'd walk out of school lunchtime with a list and return next day with the list completed
He walked out of Woolworths with an inflatable dinghy on his head but was eventually nicked for a couple of bars of chocolate
He walked out of Woolworths with an inflatable dinghy on his head but was eventually nicked for a couple of bars of chocolate
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