Anarchist Communist Group Public Meeting on rising authoritarianism in UK (11 Jan)

[Sasaferrato]

No society-transforming project ever succeeds in its entirety, and probably never can. Even those with the big money behind them fall short of their goals. Thatcherism for example-it took the Blair governments to push its economic programme on to areas where Thatcher never dared to go, and even there it fell well short of what the free-market fanatics in the think tanks who did her thinking were suggesting. The social conservatism of Thatcher herself was almost totally defeated: in 1979 she could never have imagined the social liberalism now embraced by a majority of her own party (at least the upper levels). She failed to understand how the economics she favoured undermined it, for one thing. So isn't everybody in politics involved in something that ultimately cannot succeed?

Indeed.

The point I'm making though, is that minute splinter groups can spend their time talking to each other, patting one another on the back, and assuring each other that they are right, the sheep will soon realise that they are right, and the sunlit uplands beckon. It's bullshit though, it isn't going to happen, and we both know that.

If a million people on the streets in London didn't change government policy, what hope to ten people in the back room of a pub have?

Fire away, it's your time your are spending, but please don't claim any sort of relevance.

 

[RD2003]

Indeed.

The point I'm making though, is that minute splinter groups can spend their time talking to each other, patting one another on the back, and assuring each other that they are right, the sheep will soon realise that they are right, and the sunlit uplands beckon. It's bullshit though, it isn't going to happen, and we both know that.

If a million people on the streets in London didn't change government policy, what hope to ten people in the back room of a pub have?

Fire away, it's your time your are spending, but please don't claim any sort of relevance.

It isn't for me to justify anything. I'm not a ACG member or sympathiser. It's just that I fail to see either why you're apparently so angry with them, or from where you get your implied assumption that society is generally contented and most people filled with a sense of accomplishment. As I said, the likes of a few anarchists meeting in a pub is a strange thing to annoy you when you look at the real malevolent actors in today's world.

 

[redsquirrel]

Your hubris is most entertaining.

A famous line from The Princess `Bride comes to mind.

I don't think anyone in the ACG is not very aware that it is a small group, that anarchism is a minority political position in the UK (and the world), that even socialism is a minority position.

Of course we'd like to change all that, we'd like the ACG to have more members. But whatever the size of the ACG ultimately there is only one group that can truly challenge capital and that is labour. All we in the ACG can do is help in the organising of labour. Whatever flaws or limitations of the ACG hubris is not one of them,

 

[danny la rouge]

A famous line from The Princess `Bride comes to mind.

I don't think anyone in the ACG is not very aware that it is a small group, that anarchism is a minority political position in the UK (and the world), that even socialism is a minority position.

Of course we'd like to change all that, we'd like the ACG to have more members. But whatever the size of the ACG ultimately there is only one group that can truly challenge capital and that is labour. All we in the ACG can do is help in the organising of labour. Whatever flaws or limitations of the ACG hubris is not one of them,

Indeed, from the “criticism” he levels against us he has no idea what the word means, who we are, or what we believe.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Of course we'd like to change all that, we'd like the ACG to have more members. But whatever the size of the ACG ultimately there is only one group that can truly challenge capital and that is labour. All we in the ACG can do is help in the organising of labour. Whatever flaws or limitations of the ACG hubris is not one of them,

Wait does the ACG even support Labour under Starmer though?

 

[hitmouse]

Wait does the ACG even support Labour under Starmer though?

I think they support labour not Labour, the same way they're communists not Communists.

 

[hitmouse]

Unless I've got it all wrong and they've all decided that now's the perfect time to join Labour.

 

[Dom Traynor]

I think they support labour not Labour, the same way they're communists not Communists.

That's a bit confusing.

 

[8ball]

I think they support labour not Labour, the same way they're communists not Communists.

Are they anarchists or Anarchists?

 

[hitmouse]

Are they anarchists or Anarchists?

Good question, I think they might be Anarchists. But obviously they can't be Anarchist communists, that'd just be a mess.

 

[danny la rouge]

Good question, I think they might be Anarchists. But obviously they can't be Anarchist communists, that'd just be a mess.

No, we’re anarchist communists. We are, however, the Anarchist Communist Group.

 

[8ball]

No, we’re anarchist communists. We are, however, the Anarchist Communist Group.

I’m not really sure what the difference between an anarchist and an Anarchist is tbf.

Not even sure whether I am one. I have had different people come to different conclusions. It’s possible that I’m a Radical Federalist Democrat.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Not even sure whether I am one. I have had different people come to different conclusions. It’s possible that I’m a Radical Federalist Democrat.

Wanker is quicker than Radical Federalist Democrat but is it capital W?

 

[NoXion]

I think Sas is just tsundere for radical lefties. Why else would he get so hot and bothered by what he says outright is a tiny and inconsequential political splinter?

"Stupid lefties! I'm only trolling you because you're asking for it, n-not because I like you or anything like that. So d-don't get the wrong idea!"

 

[8ball]

Wanker is quicker than Radical Federalist Democrat but is it capital W?

It's wankeur.

 

[charlie mowbray]

Podcast of meeting here: