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Polish Nazis on the rise in the UK?

goldenecitrone said:
Poland must have some other industries, surely.
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Massive agricultural sector, coal mining in Silesia, old school heavy industries. Lots of companies relocated manufacturing there because of lower labour costs, for example I have friends who work for Dell in Lodz - they relocated there from Ireland a decade ago but now my friends are concerned Dell might relocate the factory again to somewhere like Vietnam.
 
campanula said:
Hard to go on anecdotal evidence and I have no idea of any sort of statistics or research....but I was absolutely shocked to come face to face with a shaven headed man in the full fash regalia including tattooed swastikas and lots of leather, doing his shopping in Asda, unconcerned as you like. I was too taken aback to scrutinise what was in his basket.
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I assume you mean Cambridge? He's known locally and has mental health issues. Also not Polish.
 
As myself from Lithuania I feel uncomfortable about some Polish community in Lithuania there are little elements of far right issues as some Polish individuals still thinking Lithuania should be part of Poland. Bear in mind I wish do not accuse all Polish population there as well Lithuanian individuals whom are on far right ideas.
 
I don't believe I claimed he was any nationality - I was just taken aback (as you would be) - course, it was Asda so I shouldn't have been. If I had to come up with a redeeming feature for our local Asda, it is for the vast picaresque variety of customers and staff who's collective demeanour has brightened many a dreary trudge round the aisles
 
Casually Red said:
ive a mate who was heavily involved in fascism and extreme nationalism back in poland at one time. Polish nationalism is largely related solely to what goes on in poland. Being anti immigrant when your an immigrant is a bit silly, even for most fash . The level of extremist views amongst northern and eastern european immigrants cant be at all gauged from the rare open manifestations of such groups in Britain . The levels of support for extremist groups are best gauged in looking at the support they get in places like Poland or Lithuania, Hungary etc . Most immigrants whatever their outlook simply want to keep their heads down and earn some dosh and would have little interest in exporting their views to a society they regard as alien and temporary, even if thats wishful thinking on their behalf.
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Part of the reason some Poles I know first came here was to get away from the Catholic Nationalist government of the time run by the infamous twins. Even now modern Poland is illiberal compared to here.

They also came here when borders were opened as they felt that Poland had rejoined Europe after being occupied by Russians. Unfortunately not all here welcomed them. I disagree that they just come here to make money and regard this society as alien. Most I know are interested in how things work here in this society. Also knowing them has enlightened me about Eastern Europe.

There are right wing Poles. But they tend to be anti anything German or Russian for that matter. They also tend to be strongly Catholic. They get into fights with German or Russian football fans. I would not see Poles , even right wing ones, going for Nazi type politics.

Though ive heard Poles complain about Germans even though they are liberal on other matters. Cannot say I blame them on that. They still have Grandparents telling them about WW2.
 
SovietArmy said:
As myself from Lithuania I feel uncomfortable about some Polish community in Lithuania there are little elements of far right issues as some Polish individuals still thinking Lithuania should be part of Poland. Bear in mind I wish do not accuse all Polish population there as well Lithuanian individuals whom are on far right ideas.
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Bits of Lithuania were Polish before WW2. In particular Vilnius. Which had only a minority of Lithuanians in it. The majority being Jews and Poles. Most of whom did not survive the war. Vilnius was taken back from the German occupiers by Red Army containing Polish units.

Seeing Vilnius as Polish city is not just far right idea.
 
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Corax said:
George Cross, I am in you.
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my point that it's not uncommon for ex-pat communities to harbour the occassional anti-immigrant and sentimental racist bellends was aimed upthread at GC's comments not at you.Sorry should have quoted but the auto complete function on my phone plays havoc with the formatting.
 
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They may be as rare as rocking horse shit but they definitely do exist.Encountered a few Blood and Honour types in wisbech a few years ago and recognised the risk,seems like Nick Griffin has woken up to the potential of cross party support with the N.O.P inviting them to speak at the BNP conference

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From Nick Griffins Blog

National Rebirth of Poland - English Division in offensive
Wed, 23/10/2013 - 15:56 | admin2


After the successful BNP conference that was held in Blackpool and in which two representatives of the NOP took part as guests and speakers, the Polish party began promoting itself in the UK.


Translated by Daniel Dyduk
It's basic and most principal aim is to convince the Polish people who reside in the UK that a nationalist agenda is what we need in Poland as well as in Britain. Both countries should cooperate with each other after reclaiming independence and finally withdrawing from the EU. Therefore, it is vital that current nationalistic movements help each other for the better future of both British people and Polish people alike.In London for instance, on 5th of October, the NOP reinforced the BNP on its demonstration against illegal, non-European immigration. The purpose was mainly to help the BNP overcome mainstream media's manipulations which constantly portray this British party as being supposedly 'anti-Polish'.A day after that, the NOP held a rally before the Greek embassy in London, protesting against the arrests and persecution of our comrades from the Greek party Golden Dawn. It is another expression of solidarity after releasing the common statement signed by Nick Griffin MEP and Michał Lewandowski, head of the NOP in Britain.

on 16 oct the NOP passed hundreds of leaflets as well as other materials in Norwich. The receipients were members of the local Polish community. Further actions and campaigns should be expected very soon.

Nick Griffin MEP has stated that the British National Party is happy to work with all nationalists abroad, and seek contact and co-operation with them regardless of local disagreements and divisions. He said, “We believe nationalists should strive to come together, both across borders and within our own countries, so the example of Polish nationalists working together on projects such as the Independence Day March is one we greatly admire and encourage.”


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Man walks into a shop, asks for a Polish sausage.
The shopkeeper says "are you Polish?"
Man says "what's that got to do with anything!" If I asked for Italian sausage, would you ask me If I was Italian? If I asked for Bratwurst, would you ask me if I was German!"
"No", the shopkeeper says...

"It's just that you're in the home and leisure department..."
 
Gramsci said:
Bits of Lithuania were Polish before WW2. In particular Vilnius. Which had only a minority of Lithuanians in it. The majority being Jews and Poles. Most of whom did not survive the war. Vilnius was taken back from the German occupiers by Red Army containing Polish units.

Seeing Vilnius as Polish city is not just far right idea.
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tbh bits of poland were lithanuian in the past too.

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Gramsci said:
Bits of Lithuania were Polish before WW2. In particular Vilnius. Which had only a minority of Lithuanians in it. The majority being Jews and Poles. Most of whom did not survive the war. Vilnius was taken back from the German occupiers by Red Army containing Polish units.

Seeing Vilnius as Polish city is not just far right idea.
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Yep - my wife and her family are Poles who have lived in and around Vilnius for generations (which over that time it has been part of Poland, Soviet Union and Lithuania)

I've been going out there a couple of times a year for the last 15 years or so and over that time there has been a huge increase of both systematic state and street discrimination against 'ethnic poles' (which has strong parallels with anti-muslim state & street strands in the UK)

Lithuanian far right marches and rallies are becoming increasingly well attended and more and more using anti-polish themes as the main draw. One consequence of this is that there is a growing block of anti-fascist activity in Vilnius and elsewhere which is dominated by Poles. I was at an anti-fascist film night in Vilnius a couple of years ago which was predominantly polish (which incidentally was attacked by a contingent of Lithuanian far right with baseball bats and smoke grenades)

Mind you there's nothing Poles (of all political stripes and none) like better than a good joke about the jews & blacks
 
Talking about the Baltics, interested to find that almost half of Tallinn's (Estonia) population are ethnically Russian. They watch their own TV stations, go to their own pubs and restaurants, and live an almost entirely separate existence.

Peaceful but bristlingly so.
 
A lot of the bloodshed off the 20th Century was about trying to carve homogenous nation-states out of a region where the populations were incredibly diverse and mixed up. They managed it to an extent in the end but only at the costs of millions of lives and tens of millions displaced by ethnic cleansing.
 
chasbo zelena said:
Talking about the Baltics, interested to find that almost half of Tallinn's (Estonia) population are ethnically Russian. They watch their own TV stations, go to their own pubs and restaurants, and live an almost entirely separate existence.

Peaceful but bristlingly so.
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Forced Rusificiation. Same with Ukraine and various other places. Out of the Baltics it is only Lithuania that's near homogeneous.
 
Belushi said:
A lot of the bloodshed off the 20th Century was about trying to carve homogenous nation-states out of a region where the populations were incredibly diverse and mixed up. They managed it to an extent in the end but only at the costs of millions of lives and tens of millions displaced by ethnic cleansing.
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There is a good history book about that "The Reconstruction of Nations" By Timothy Snyder.
 
Belushi said:
A lot of the bloodshed off the 20th Century was about trying to carve homogenous nation-states out of a region where the populations were incredibly diverse and mixed up. They managed it to an extent in the end but only at the costs of millions of lives and tens of millions displaced by ethnic cleansing.
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I remember when I first got interested in Turkish history during a holiday there reading about the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. All the troubles springing up, nationalist moments, mass population exchanges concentrating specific ethnicities in specific areas. Western Romanticism supporting the creation of Greece. Pretty fucked up reading that knowing how badly that was to end up 80 years later. Same with Stalin and the Central Asian Stans. Or any area when state and ethnicity became one.
 
FNG said:
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my point that it's not uncommon for ex-pat communities to harbour the occassional anti-immigrant and sentimental racist bellends was aimed upthread at GC's comments not at you.Sorry should have quoted but the auto complete function on my phone plays havoc with the formatting.
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No worries - my post was merely a stupid gag about how the whole island of Malta was awarded the GC, and 'patriots' fetishisation of military medlas etc.
 
Garek said:
I remember when I first got interested in Turkish history during a holiday there reading about the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. All the troubles springing up, nationalist moments, mass population exchanges concentrating specific ethnicities in specific areas. Western Romanticism supporting the creation of Greece. Pretty fucked up reading that knowing how badly that was to end up 80 years later. Same with Stalin and the Central Asian Stans. Or any area when state and ethnicity became one.
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Any recommended reads?
 
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