Polish Nazis on the rise in the UK?

[malatesta32]

Why would hard core Polish nationalists want to emigrate?

there is the idea of 'no more brother wars' that attempt to link far right white europeans up. this has caused division in the UK fash ranks as it somewhat confounds their pro-loyalist/anti irish republican policies as well as what you say.

 

[seventh bullet]

Any recommended reads?

For the USSR specifically:

The Affirmative Action Empire: Nations and Nationalism in the Soviet Union, 1923-1939 - Terry Martin

A State of Nations: Empire and Nation-Making in the Age of Lenin and Stalin - Ronald Grigor Suny and Terry Martin (edited)

Empire of Nations: Ethnographic Knowledge and the Making of the Soviet Union - Francine Hirsch

Muslim National Communism in the Soviet Union: A Revolutionary Strategy for the Colonial World - Alexandre A. Bennigsen and S. Enders Wimbush. About Sultan-Galiev and others.

 

[malatesta32]

It just doesn't strike me as being a nationalist thing to do. Sodding off abroad to seek your fortune instead of working to build up the mother land.

there's plenty of patriots/nationalists on the costa del shite.

 

[malatesta32]

▲Ex pat mentality isnt one of the EDL founders poncing about in malta pretending to be a knight templar or something.

i think you may be referring to ex EDL paul ray who started that whole silly nonsense then scarpered swiftly when it all came on top that breivik was an admirer of his.

 

[BlackArab]

They called off their bristol meeting (or, the vicar who ran the place they were meeting told them they couldn't). A load of polish anti-fascist stickers appeared over the last few months over parts of east bristol as well. I sent them a badly translated message for info but got no reply.

Would this be the same church that had a fire this week?

 

[Gramsci]

and a dead ukranian

In defence of my Polish friends is this madcap recent comedy film ( website will translate on my Firefox browser) based on novel by a young Pole. The novel was controversial due to its frequent use of bad language.

It sends up present day Polish society. Poles humour is black humour and satirical. Similar to ours in UK.

The title refers to a "do not buy from the Russians" day in a small town. Many hard up Russians/ Ukrainians come to Poland to seek work. End up selling stuff cheap. So complaints that they undermine" hard working" Poles. Thus a boycott is called.

The film follows the quest of a Pole to buy drugs that day. Trouble is the best stuff is sold by the Russians. Leaves him with a problem.

Ive seen subtitled version. Though subtitles lose some of the humour.The Polish girls behind me in cinema found film hilarious. I missed some of the jokes due to not understanding Polish. But its a good film.

It was popular in Poland.

 

[Casually Red]

there is the idea of 'no more brother wars' that attempt to link far right white europeans up. this has caused division in the UK fash ranks as it somewhat confounds their pro-loyalist/anti irish republican policies as well as what you say.

long may that continue, as it royally fucks up the fashes attempts to organise here too .

 

[Gramsci]

there is the idea of 'no more brother wars' that attempt to link far right white europeans up. this has caused division in the UK fash ranks as it somewhat confounds their pro-loyalist/anti irish republican policies as well as what you say.

From what Ive heard they are going on about defending "Christian" Europe against Islam.

A historical point is that Poland has small minority descended from Muslim soldiers who settled in Poland in medieval times. I know A Pole who has Islamic first name. Though his family never have been believers for several generations.

 

[juice_terry]

Had a run in with some Polish fash at an Irish/Basque solidarity gig earlier this year, just 3 or 4 of the fuckers wearing white pride t-shirts.. they soon tasted pavement after advice to leave the venue was ignored.

 

[Belushi]

From what Ive heard they are going on about defending "Christian" Europe against Islam.

A historical point is that Poland has small minority descended from Muslim soldiers who settled in Poland in medieval times. I know A Pole who has Islamic first name. Though his family never have been believers for several generations.

King Jan Sobieski and his winged hussars saving Europe from the Turks at the Battle of Vienna is a huge deal in Polish culture.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Yep - my wife and her family are Poles who have lived in and around Vilnius for generations (which over that time it has been part of Poland, Soviet Union and Lithuania)

I've been going out there a couple of times a year for the last 15 years or so and over that time there has been a huge increase of both systematic state and street discrimination against 'ethnic poles' (which has strong parallels with anti-muslim state & street strands in the UK)

Lithuanian far right marches and rallies are becoming increasingly well attended and more and more using anti-polish themes as the main draw. One consequence of this is that there is a growing block of anti-fascist activity in Vilnius and elsewhere which is dominated by Poles. I was at an anti-fascist film night in Vilnius a couple of years ago which was predominantly polish (which incidentally was attacked by a contingent of Lithuanian far right with baseball bats and smoke grenades)

Mind you there's nothing Poles (of all political stripes and none) like better than a good joke about the jews & blacks

What about the Karai ?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

On the rise "in the UK"? Can't comment on elsewhere, but I live in the middle of one of the heaviest concentrations of Polish immigrants in the UK, and there's not a sniff of fash AFAICT.

Would you say it has become polarised?

 

[Corax]

Would you say it has become polarised?

Bad pun, or question...?

 

[malatesta32]

dont! or you'll get bignose polish-ing his best puns!

 

[love detective]

What about the Karai ?

What about them in what sense?

There are only a couple of hundred of them in Lithuania and only around 50 of them still speak the language (they've been there for about 600 years since they were moved from the Crimea to there). So they are far too small to attract any attention from the far right. Most of them live in the same small place just outside Vilnius called Trakai - which is a big tourist attraction place because of the picturesque castles there, and the Karaite kind of milk that to provide 'authentic' Karaite experiences to visitors - which mainly consists of selling really nice cornish pasty type things

Although they have Jewish heritage I think they are a completely different thing from Karaite Judaism (and also completely different from the Crimean Tatars who also live in Lithuania)

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Yes I've been to Trakai just thought I'd show off that I know about them

 

[FNG]

i think you may be referring to ex EDL paul ray who started that whole silly nonsense then scarpered swiftly when it all came on top that breivik was an admirer of his.

Ray had relocated to malta long before the Breivik stuff came to light mal, left under acrimonious circumstances with his former mates and went on to form the EDL knights templar division, his old Lionheart blog was full of piss and vinegar towards tommy and co
Was he ever formally identified as being Breiviks correspondent within the EDL, i must admit the Templar stuff made me think it was likely to be him.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

word has it at least one polish fash was nicked.

That's 1/60th of their strength reduced.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Hard to go on anecdotal evidence and I have no idea of any sort of statistics or research....but I was absolutely shocked to come face to face with a shaven headed man in the full fash regalia including tattooed swastikas and lots of leather, doing his shopping in Asda, unconcerned as you like. I was too taken aback to scrutinise what was in his basket.

No knishes or blintzes, I'll bet.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

There's a Polish family up the road with a St George's flag in the window. Not sure what to make of that.

They love England?

 

[malatesta32]

hey up! golden dawn EDL eejits.
http://www.demotix.com/news/3183603...ty-protest-greek-embassy-london#media-3183745

 

[malatesta32]

Ray had relocated to malta long before the Breivik stuff came to light mal, left under acrimonious circumstances with his former mates and went on to form the EDL knights templar division, his old Lionheart blog was full of piss and vinegar towards tommy and co
Was he ever formally identified as being Breiviks correspondent within the EDL, i must admit the Templar stuff made me think it was likely to be him.

yeah, that sounds about right. we stopped following his 'career' when he split off into his fantasy swordsman thing. he was interviewed by norwegian plod i think, and he panicked and tried to disappear possibly.

 

[Limerick Red]

Just seen this:

REPORT ON 9th November:

On Saturday 9th November, notorious fascists and neo-nazi has-beens called a demonstration in support of the jailed leadership of the murderous neo-nazi Golden Dawn party at the Greek Embassy in London.

Over 40 militants from the AFN responded in a co-ordinated action to send a strong message to those attending or thinking about attending neo-nazi and racist demonstrations - that they are not welcomed and they will be opposed. The message was spelt out to them with a "frank discussion" before the demonstration. For all their talk of "smashing the reds" not one of the 12 fascists said a word, instead the sense of shear fear on their faces would hopefully make an impression and knock some sense in the younger attendees that were present. Around 5 of the younger fascists were escorted out of the pub onto trains by AFN militants and told to fuck off home.

After we had left the remaining fascists, who had hoped for a large police presence at their pub but with none insight, pleaded with community support officers to escort them to the demo as they were too afraid to leave. They ended up getting taxis to the embassy.

Our aim was to never attend or call a counter-protest, if we had we would have had given the 30-35 odd balls that turned up a sense of importance and the cops more intel. The location of the embassy and the high police presence meant that any counter protest would have been completely in the control of the cops. Different situations require different tactics.

After the action, seized Golden Dawn Flags were burned. We give our total solidarity to our working class brothers and sisters in Greece, the many migrants who are struggle against racist and fascism and to our Brother Pavlos who was murdered by Golden Dawn members.

London - always anti-fascist!

London Anti-Fascists ( AFN )

https://www.facebook.com/londonantifascists

 

[love detective]

Yes I've been to Trakai just thought I'd show off that I know about them

Day trip from Vilnius?

 

[sim667]

In defence of my Polish friends is this madcap recent comedy film ( website will translate on my Firefox browser) based on novel by a young Pole. The novel was controversial due to its frequent use of bad language.

It sends up present day Polish society. Poles humour is black humour and satirical. Similar to ours in UK.

The title refers to a "do not buy from the Russians" day in a small town. Many hard up Russians/ Ukrainians come to Poland to seek work. End up selling stuff cheap. So complaints that they undermine" hard working" Poles. Thus a boycott is called.

The film follows the quest of a Pole to buy drugs that day. Trouble is the best stuff is sold by the Russians. Leaves him with a problem.

Ive seen subtitled version. Though subtitles lose some of the humour.The Polish girls behind me in cinema found film hilarious. I missed some of the jokes due to not understanding Polish. But its a good film.

It was popular in Poland.

This actually sounds quite funny. Any idea what it'd be called in the UK?

I like icelandic humor, and I imagine polish humor to be similiar but more sinister and less weird.

Serbian humor was just fucking dark on the other hand.

There isn't a Surrey Based AFN is there? Its either London or Brighton right?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Day trip from Vilnius?

Yes, we go to the Baltic once a year generally and Vilnius is my favourite city

 

[Gramsci]

This actually sounds quite funny. Any idea what it'd be called in the UK?

I like icelandic humor, and I imagine polish humor to be similiar but more sinister and less weird.

Serbian humor was just fucking dark on the other hand.

There isn't a Surrey Based AFN is there? Its either London or Brighton right?

Its called " Snow White and Russian Red" for some reason. I think UK audience would not understand the original title Polish / Russian War.

A classic of Polish humour is "Sexmission" Every Pole Ive met says rates this film. Its totally un PC. Two guys are put into experimental hibernation and wake up to find they are the only men left in a world of women. They think this must be paradise. However it turns to nightmare as this is a dictatorship. Of course its a unsubtle critique of communism.

Another classic is "Escape from Liberty Cinema". This is very clever. In a cinema people are watching yet another crap social realist film when the actors in the film suddenly stop playing there parts and start going on about what a load of bollox the film is.

Lastly this film "What will you do when you catch me" is very funny. A black comedy of life under communism. But also imo about any society (like ours) where people are encouraged to look after number one.

The best Serbian film is more absurd. Goran Paskaljevic is a director who should be better known. His film "The Optimists" features a charismatic healer who leads a coach load of followers to nowwhere. A dark comedy of the rise of ultra nationalism. Its also a very good film. Reminded me of Beckett plays. Why he is not known here I do not understand. Much better than Kusturica. Who imo can play up to stereotypes of Balkans.

 

[sim667]

Its called " Snow White and Russian Red" for some reason. I think UK audience would not understand the original title Polish / Russian War.

A classic of Polish humour is "Sexmission" Every Pole Ive met says rates this film. Its totally un PC. Two guys are put into experimental hibernation and wake up to find they are the only men left in a world of women. They think this must be paradise. However it turns to nightmare as this is a dictatorship. Of course its a unsubtle critique of communism.

Another classic is "Escape from Liberty Cinema". This is very clever. In a cinema people are watching yet another crap social realist film when the actors in the film suddenly stop playing there parts and start going on about what a load of bollox the film is.

Lastly this film "What will you do when you catch me" is very funny. A black comedy of life under communism. But also imo about any society (like ours) where people are encouraged to look after number one.

The best Serbian film is more absurd. Goran Paskaljevic is a director who should be better known. His film "The Optimists" features a charismatic healer who leads a coach load of followers to nowwhere. A dark comedy of the rise of ultra nationalism.

Oh wow, Im gonna have fun finding torrents of these I see........ Someone who I know reads polish had just found the title for that first film...... But Im gonna see if I can get these anywhere.

Thanks for the suggestions

 

[love detective]

Yes, we go to the Baltic once a year generally and Vilnius is my favourite city

I was there for a month in June this year as my son was christened there. I hate the city centre these days, locals have been systematically driven out over the last 10-15 years or so, it's not a place for them anymore. And all the new fancy designer shops in the city centre and shopping centres on the outskirts that have been built in the last decade or so seem to be completely empty most of the time, it's like a ghost town those places. And the prices of food and energy out there is extortionate - far dearer than here in the UK and that's before taking into account the wage differentials. The whole place feels like it's on the verge of some massive financial & political implosion, but i've been saying that for years and years and nothing.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I was there for a month in June this year as my son was christened there. I hate the city centre these days, locals have been systematically driven out over the last 10-15 years or so, it's not a place for them anymore. And all the new fancy designer shops in the city centre and shopping centres on the outskirts that have been built in the last decade or so seem to be completely empty most of the time, it's like a ghost town those places. And the prices of food and energy out there is extortionate - far dearer than here in the UK and that's before taking into account the wage differentials. The whole place feels like it's on the verge of some massive financial & political implosion, but i've been saying that for years and years and nothing.

I know what you mean, we just like the old town for a day or two, I wouldn't stay longer that's what Estonia is there for (mind you that's extortionate as we'll if you're not careful).