Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Because animals tend to not care that we're growing them for us.
Several people shot dead in Plymouth 12 August 2021
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To kill the pigeons that would eat them.
There are numerous ways of protecting plants from animals, most of them a lot more efficient than trying to shoot them all.
FFS! You don't have much knowledge or experience of agriculture I see.
You seriously imagine gardeners and farmers protect their plants by sitting sentry 24/7 with a shotgun?
Lol.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Go on, explain how you'd stop crows eating your crops.
In my experience, farmers have actively encouraged the shooting of pests by gun owners. I virtually lived on pigeon and rabbit for a couple of years.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If only there was some kind of animal that could eat rabbits.
It's not how I would, it's how I (and we) do.
A combo of netting, chicken wire, and stringing up old cds to spin in the breeze. Larger scale farmers also use lasers and sound devices.
That's the plants that aren't in a polytunnel or greenhouse, obviously.
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Yes but they didn't rely on you and your ilk!
If they did, we'd all be going hungry.
You don't need to take my word for it, check almost any farming or gardening site and you'll find a list of ways to protect plants from birds. A list which does not include shooting them.
How to Keep Birds Away From Your Garden
Anti-bird netting, Anti-bird net - All the agricultural manufacturers - Videos
Agricultural Bird Scarers | Agricultural Bird Deterrent Devices
A guide to effective bird scaring kits for farmers - Farmers Weekly
How to Keep Birds Away From Your Garden
Anti-bird netting, Anti-bird net - All the agricultural manufacturers - Videos
Agricultural Bird Scarers | Agricultural Bird Deterrent Devices
A guide to effective bird scaring kits for farmers - Farmers Weekly
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I grew up in Plymouth.
Looked at local news and as I expected Plymouthians have been paying their respects.
www.plymouthherald.co.uk
Plymouth is not a rich town. Unlike the more fashionable bits of South West its relatively poor.
Its also compared to my home London a small place. So this would have big effect.
From reading Guardian today there are reports the shooters family had been concerned about his behaviour but the mental health section of NHS had told them they didn't have resources to deal with it in pandemic.
Plymouth being a poor town services are stretched.
If this is accurate I hope their is serious look at how seaside town like this needs more resources.
I don't think comments on white supremacy or farmers on this thread really help.
A lot of people struggle in South West of England. Farmers, Fisherman and working class people in South West are often forgetton with the concentration of news on other parts of England.
Looked at local news and as I expected Plymouthians have been paying their respects.
Hundreds gather for touching vigil to Plymouth shooting victims
North Down Crescent Park was lit up with candles as the community paid a touching tribute to the lives lost after yesterday's tragic incident
Plymouth is not a rich town. Unlike the more fashionable bits of South West its relatively poor.
Its also compared to my home London a small place. So this would have big effect.
From reading Guardian today there are reports the shooters family had been concerned about his behaviour but the mental health section of NHS had told them they didn't have resources to deal with it in pandemic.
Plymouth being a poor town services are stretched.
If this is accurate I hope their is serious look at how seaside town like this needs more resources.
I don't think comments on white supremacy or farmers on this thread really help.
A lot of people struggle in South West of England. Farmers, Fisherman and working class people in South West are often forgetton with the concentration of news on other parts of England.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Why don't you take this up with glitch hiker who introduced the notion?
I'll have you know that I've saved several fields of oilseed rape from devastation by pigeon.
Nonsense.
Believe what you like.
Thanks, I will and do.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Sorry, I thought we were talking about actual farming, not your little vegetable patch.
Do you have any idea what it would cost to cover 1000 acres of wheat with any of your proposed solutions? I'll give you a clue, it's more than you'd make in profit from the wheat.
Shoot some crows and nail them to boards around the field. Much more effective and much cheaper.
Maggot
The Cake of Liberty
You can make these things that scare crows. I can't remember what they're called.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Guns?
More about the victims here:
Plymouth shooting: Who were the victims? - BBC News
"In a deadly spree that lasted six minutes, the gunman killed two women, two men and a three-year-old girl.
He also shot two other people who continue to receive treatment in hospital.
Davison then turned the gun on himself, taking his own life.
Police were called to Biddick Drive shortly after 18:11 BST - arriving on the scene within six minutes."
"Police have named the shooter's mother, Maxine Davison, as his first victim.
The 51-year-old - also known as Maxine Chapman - was shot and killed inside an address on Biddick Drive.
Jake Davison then went into the street and shot dead three-year-old Sophie Martyn and her father, Lee Martyn, 43."
"He next killed Stephen Washington, 59, before shooting Kate Shepherd, 66, who later died in hospital.
All those who died lived in the Keyham area, Devon and Cornwall Police said.
The gunman also shot a 33-year-old man and a 53-year-old woman, who remain in hospital with injuries which are not thought to be life threatening.
They have not yet been named by police."
Plymouth shooting: Who were the victims? - BBC News
"In a deadly spree that lasted six minutes, the gunman killed two women, two men and a three-year-old girl.
He also shot two other people who continue to receive treatment in hospital.
Davison then turned the gun on himself, taking his own life.
Police were called to Biddick Drive shortly after 18:11 BST - arriving on the scene within six minutes."
"Police have named the shooter's mother, Maxine Davison, as his first victim.
The 51-year-old - also known as Maxine Chapman - was shot and killed inside an address on Biddick Drive.
Jake Davison then went into the street and shot dead three-year-old Sophie Martyn and her father, Lee Martyn, 43."
"He next killed Stephen Washington, 59, before shooting Kate Shepherd, 66, who later died in hospital.
All those who died lived in the Keyham area, Devon and Cornwall Police said.
The gunman also shot a 33-year-old man and a 53-year-old woman, who remain in hospital with injuries which are not thought to be life threatening.
They have not yet been named by police."
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jeff_leigh
What happened to Dubversion ?
When I was in India you‘d often see outside an house a pile of harvested corn or whatever with a dead crow on a stick dangling over it
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
That's exactly how every farmer I know does it. Dead crows pegged out in fields on poles.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
All of the evidence is that the type of toxic individualism/reflectivity of the self that SpookyFrank highlighted can’t be fixed by individuals. It’s produced, reproduced, embedded and a byproduct of the biopolitics of the political economy, culture and society. My post was expressly stating that the state and its role is part of the problem by the way.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
Guy might well have subscribed to a misogynistic ideology, but looking at the list of victims I don’t think he was too fussy about who he was shooting up, except for his mum that is....
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
And the father and child.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Colin Hunt
Active Member
I'm assuming your comment about white supremacy is aimed at me, although I only spoke about white privilege. My response would be that it's definitely helpful to talk about white privilege in this context because when similar crimes are committed by people who aren't white, the response of the general public is very different, and that is something that points to societal issues that need to be dealt with. It is possible to think that and also think that mental health services are underfunded across the whole country, and that deprived areas of England suffer from the most underfunding despite people who live there often being those most in need of support.I grew up in Plymouth.
Looked at local news and as I expected Plymouthians have been paying their respects.
Hundreds gather for touching vigil to Plymouth shooting victims
North Down Crescent Park was lit up with candles as the community paid a touching tribute to the lives lost after yesterday's tragic incident
Plymouth is not a rich town. Unlike the more fashionable bits of South West its relatively poor.
Its also compared to my home London a small place. So this would have big effect.
From reading Guardian today there are reports the shooters family had been concerned about his behaviour but the mental health section of NHS had told them they didn't have resources to deal with it in pandemic.
Plymouth being a poor town services are stretched.
If this is accurate I hope their is serious look at how seaside town like this needs more resources.
I don't think comments on white supremacy or farmers on this thread really help.
A lot of people struggle in South West of England. Farmers, Fisherman and working class people in South West are often forgetton with the concentration of news on other parts of England.
It is possible to both deal with white privilege and provide proper mental health care to the most vulnerable, and I would argue that your attempt to make it an either/or issue is short-sighted, frustrating and wrong. And I say that as someone who also grew up in a deprived part of Devon, and as someone who knows both first- and second-hand how terrible mental health services are in the county.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
... yes, I was thinking they are a wide mix of ages and genders...random shooting maybe ?.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
I don't claim expertise, but I reckon a shotgun is not going to be quickest or easiest.
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