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See who's been invited to Cameron's emergency NHS bill summit. And get angry

Not surprised about the surgeons, tbf. You have to be asocial and a bit twisted to make a living cutting people up, IMHO. If these people weren't surgeons, they'd probably be abattoir workers and/or cat-poisoners at the very least.

I wouldn't go that far but they do have a reputation amoungst other health professionals as being the most arrogant public-school wankers, and perhaps most importantly, tend to spend more time and earn more cash doing private work than other medical specialities. Not surprised they'd already feel more comfortable selling the NHS out for their golf club memberships than some of the other colleges.
 
(1) Allows far more services to be contracted out to for-profit private providers called things like 'health4people' 'cancerbusters!UK' and 'I can't believe its not good value for money plc'
(2) Empowers health practitioners to do loads of admin to fill their spare time
(3) Gives choice to health customers by empowering them to make their own decisions and make their own incisions*

What's not to love?




* Two Johns copyright.

:D
 
The sham of a meeting went ahead today.

WHO WENT AND WHO DID NOT

ATTENDED:
  • NHS Confederation
  • Royal College of Anaesthetists
  • Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists
  • Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health
  • Royal College of Physicians of London
  • Royal College of Surgeons of England
  • NHS Alliance
  • Association of Chief Executives of Voluntary Organisations
  • National Voices
  • National Association of Primary Care
DID NOT ATTEND:
  • British Medical Association
  • Royal College of GPs
  • Chartered Society of Physiotherapy
  • College of Occupational Therapists
  • Royal College of Midwives
  • Faculty of Public Health
  • Royal College of Nursing
  • Royal College of Ophthalmologists
  • Royal College of Pathologists
  • Royal College of Psychiatrists
  • Unison
  • Unite
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17093082
 
The private sector will bring increased efficiency.
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Can you really trust any of these organizations, invited or not? The only organizations involved should have been Patients Association's and any other group that represents Patients.
 
Can you really trust any of these organizations, invited or not? The only organizations involved should have been Patients Association's and any other group that represents Patients.
Nice in principle, but it would be disastrous in practice. The only people who stand a chance of understanding the NHS are the people that have to deal with it day in day out. And most of them only grasp a certain amount of it (myself included).

Patients organisations definitely should be well involved, but not to the exclusion of the clinicians and yes, even the evil overpaid waste-of-money pen-pushing good-for-nothing bureaucratic scum-of-the-earth managers and commissioners.
 
Nice in principle, but it would be disastrous in practice. The only people who stand a chance of understanding the NHS are the people that have to deal with it day in day out. And most of them only grasp a certain amount of it (myself included).

Patients organisations definitely should be well involved, but not to the exclusion of the clinicians and yes, even the evil overpaid waste-of-money pen-pushing good-for-nothing bureaucratic scum-of-the-earth managers and commissioners.

I would have excluded all management types and anything that has the stench of politics. So no meeting would ever have taken place! ;)
 
I would have excluded all management types and anything that has the stench of politics. So no meeting would ever have taken place! ;)
I expect you have some airy-fairy vision of hospitals as being places the government funds for patients go to and be treated by doctors, don't you?

How sweet.

;)
 
I expect you have some airy-fairy vision of hospitals as being places the government funds for patients go to and be treated by doctors, don't you?

How sweet.

;)

I spent a couple of years as a member of a local patients involvement quango and my son had a long painful serious illness and died last year. So I no longer look at the NHS through rose tinted glasses. But it would be nice if the NHS actually worked as advertised. ;)
 
I spent a couple of years as a member of a local patients involvement quango and my son had a long painful serious illness and died last year. So I no longer look at the NHS through rose tinted glasses. But it would be nice if the NHS actually worked as advertised. ;)
Wouldn't it just. Thankfully, it has certainly been improving in the last decade, but is still massively hampered by all the purchaser/provider/contracting/commissioning etc nonsense, which sucks up resources, is an obstacle to collaborative working between hospitals & community healthcare, and adds absolutely sod all of value to any patient. It would be nice to have a bit less of it, but instead it looks like we're going to be given more.
 
The sham of a meeting went ahead today.
WHO WENT AND WHO DID NOT

ATTENDED:
  • NHS Confederation
  • Royal College of Anaesthetists
  • Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists
  • Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health
  • Royal College of Physicians of London
  • Royal College of Surgeons of England
  • NHS Alliance
  • Association of Chief Executives of Voluntary Organisations
  • National Voices
  • National Association of Primary Care
DID NOT ATTEND:
  • British Medical Association
  • Royal College of GPs
  • Chartered Society of Physiotherapy
  • College of Occupational Therapists
  • Royal College of Midwives
  • Faculty of Public Health
  • Royal College of Nursing
  • Royal College of Ophthalmologists
  • Royal College of Pathologists
  • Royal College of Psychiatrists
  • Unison
  • Unite

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17093082
...so that's 5 professional bodies, 3 commissioning bodies, a charity and voluntary sector management reps that attended vs 10 professional bodies + 2 trade unions that were excluded ...

..yep, this is going to end well :rolleyes::facepalm:
 
'Conservative MP and ministerial aide Mark Simmonds has apologised for failing to make clear an interest when speaking in favour of the NHS shake-up.

The Boston and Skegness MP, 47, is parliamentary private secretary to Environment Secretary Caroline Spelman.

The MPs' register of interest shows he is paid £50,000 a year as a strategic adviser to Circle Healthcare.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17104463

A very british form of corruption, kill the bill...
 
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