How many anarchist groups do you think sat down after the bookfair and decided collectively that they wouldn't say anything about this because they are too scared of being called bigots by the scary transpeople
[Sat 28th Oct 2017] London Anarchist Bookfair (London)
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How many anarchist groups do you think sat down after the bookfair and decided collectively that they wouldn't say anything about this because they are too scared of being called bigots by the scary transpeople
bimble
floofy
I’m not that interested in anarchist groups statements to be honest more talking about people in general, particularly women, of whom I know many keep quiet on this topic for just this reason, fear of being called bigots, as has happened here . For instance I think Helen Steels actions took a lot of courage.
Athos
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Is it though? I'm sure there's lots of people who would be very quick to point to slur as bigots anyone who defended the collective, even if they disgusted with the content of the leaflets.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Maybe not groups but I would imagine that was a factor in the statement in support of the bookfair being unsigned? (another factor being that people just don't want to be identified as anarchists for the usual reasons).
Solidarity with the London Anarchist Bookfair
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Seems to me that there is a real readiness by both sides to call each other, and bystanders, bigots and that readiness is on display in this post.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I'm not noticing anyone calling me a bigot for defending the collective.
Oh yes it ... sorry.
I'd be very surprised if it was.
Oh come on, there’s a whole section of the left that throw around bigotry accusations against anyone not deemed to be toeing the line. It’s embarrassing. It isn’t a libertarian position I recognise either. It’s authoritarian crap.
I'm not denying that, I'm denying that the kind of long standing organised anarchist groups who attend the bookfair are quite that cowed by a few kids on twitter. And those leaflets were bigotry, plain and simple - this is not a borderline matter, those leaflets claimed any legal protections against discrimination for transpeople, or changes to make it easier for them to identify as they choose, is rape culture - with all that implies. Is it any wonder that a marginalised group should react aggresively when they are constantly smeared as being rapists if they try to fight for their rights?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Has she associated herself with the contents of the leaflets?
Honestly I haven't talked to her about it so I don't know. But that leaflet and the fact she's been retweeting the group it came from is sadly not a good look as far as I'm concerned.
bimble
floofy
Yes, insomuch as she says (quoting again her statement):
- None of them call for violence against trans identifying people, obviously I would not have supported them if they had.
- Refusing to validate other people’s belief systems is not the same as threatening to harm them.
- Bullying people to force them to accept your views does harm people.
- If you think that other people should not be allowed to question your ideology, it makes you an authoritarian NOT an anarchist.
Athos
Well-Known Member
It's not saying trans women are rapists (though some are). It's saying that the forced removal of women's right to set boundaries as they see fit i.e. based on their sex (which, incidentally is very different from policing gender), is rape culture. I don't agree with the much of the content of the leaflets, but your attempt to mischaracterise them (and gender critical women) is dishonest.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I am surprised you didn't quote the points actually dealing with the leaflets. And *in context* the first point you quote relates to supporting the right of women to distribute the leaflets
Call me a purist, but anarchists fighting their battles through Parliamentary legislation is a new one on me also.
Important qualifier that is it? Needed to be said? Shown your true colours once more you nasty piece of work.
I'm not sure many anachists campaigned for this consulation. And the people actively opposing it aren't anarchists, although this didn't stop them turning up at the bookfair.
Athos
Well-Known Member
It's fairly important to, say, women who are expected to share intimate spaces with rapists. But I guess their fears can be dismissed, eh? Not important.
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Non anarchists bringing their parliamentary beef to the book fair which is then supported by anarchists, then.
I think the problem with anarchism is anyone can rock up and start chatting shit and then that becomes anarchism. What a mess.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There is nothing at all problematic with anarchists discussing the law and how it impact w/c people. This is a worthless utterly pointless dead end.
You're right magnus - anyone.
You're right magnus - anyone.
Of course not, but the wider picture is it’s just rights activism. Which is a dead end as you well know.
Let’s split the class down further so we have more sides to choose from.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
How many people do these groups represent?
ska invita
back on the other side
200? thats a rough guestimate
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