Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion

[Clair De Lune]

It's mind boggling when you think about it.

The very concept of beings in the clouds who we must worship and endure... where is the class war against these privileged sky toffs?

But if you're a good boy you get into heaven!
I think the bit that baffles me most personally is believing something your parents did and their parents before them. Seems bizarre.

 

[Humberto]

Well I haven't argued with jesuit theologians much, but if you look around the world there's a lot wrong. Now a lot of the concepts are difficult and difficult to carry out. But if you say most people are 'good' yes and no. Because surely it's scale: mass dehumanising genocide with intent> rape/torture. There's an animalistic side to people, pack, selfishness that a lot of people won't look at in themselves. Look at the world and what goes on, what people do to eachother.

Now that can result in some form of judgement by a higher creator, or none at all.

But if you say original sin is an invalid concept I would say you are cosseted or very lucky.

 

[Humberto]

So we need a christ.

 

[Raheem]

Now all I want to do is turn the thread into an argument about arguing about religion. But I haven't worked out how to do it yet.

 

[two sheds]

Now all I want to do is turn the thread into an argument about arguing about religion. But I haven't worked out how to do it yet.

What's the point of arguing about religion?

 

[Raheem]

What's the point of arguing about religion?

It's God's will.

 

[Elpenor]

So we need a christ.

This is the Christ I’m on board with

 

[two sheds]

It's God's will.

No it's not.

 

[Raheem]

No it's not.

But it will.

 

[Humberto]

This is the Christ I’m on board with

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Rugby is a foriegn land to me. I think the cut of his jib is outstanding though. Samoan?

 

[krtek a houby]

But if you're a good boy you get into heaven!
I think the bit that baffles me most personally is believing something your parents did and their parents before them. Seems bizarre.

It's certainly hugely hypocritical of Brand, going by his earlier commentary.

But then again, grift and religion often go hand in hand.

 

[Lurdan]

Russell Brand baptised in Thames - The Times (archived)

Appropriate location really:

Thames Water has pumped human waste into the Greater London area of the River Thames for a staggering 1,914 hours since the start of 2024 – equivalent to 79 days.

River Action (March 20th)

In an Instagram video recorded on Monday, Brand said he had found his “path” and was left feeling “incredibly blessed” and “nourished” following the baptism.

 

[krtek a houby]

Russell Brand baptised in Thames - The Times (archived)

Appropriate location really:

River Action (March 20th)

The circle of shite continues

 

[Rimbaud]

I'm afraid people who pretend to believe in creationism for smaller class sizes may not be shoulder to shoulder with you come the crunch my friend

Creationism and taking the Bible literally is really more of a Protestant thing. The whole thing about Protestantism was about reading the Bible directly instead of relying on the interpretation from the Church so the literal truth of the word is much more important in Protestantism than Catholicism. The official line of the Catholic Church is "[God] created beings and allowed them to develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one, so that they were able to develop and to arrive at their fullness of being."

Don't really know why fundamentalist Protestants don't just go with that line instead of all the mental gymnastics about dinosaurs not existing etc.

 

[Elpenor]

Rugby is a foriegn land to me. I think the cut of his jib is outstanding though. Samoan?

Welsh. And while he is called Christ you say it to rhyme with missed.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Welsh. And while he is called Christ you say it to rhyme with missed.

in a French accent then

 

[Ax^]

Creationism and taking the Bible literally is really more of a Protestant thing. The whole thing about Protestantism was about reading the Bible directly instead of relying on the interpretation from the Church so the literal truth of the word is much more important in Protestantism than Catholicism. The official line of the Catholic Church is "[God] created beings and allowed them to develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one, so that they were able to develop and to arrive at their fullness of being."

Don't really know why fundamentalist Protestants don't just go with that line instead of all the mental gymnastics about dinosaurs not existing etc.

because they are bloody mental its why the giants causeways has 3 plaques about its creation the geological one, the myth about Irish giants and one saying god did it so stop asking questions

 

[CNT36]

But if you're a good boy you get into heaven!
I think the bit that baffles me most personally is believing something your parents did and their parents before them. Seems bizarre.

I have similar feelings when I see a guy at work's son in a Torquay United top.

 

[andysays]

Russell Brand baptised in Thames - The Times (archived)

Appropriate location really:

River Action (March 20th)

Appears from that he's taken a bit from one Christian tradition and a bit from another, and added them into his already existing mish mash of Buddhism and whatever else.

It may well have left him feeling "blessed and nourished", but there doesn't appear to be anything to it beyond his individualism and his ego.

I'd be vaguely interested to hear who baptised him. I'd be willing to bet it will be some two bob sect like the one his mate Calvin is part of.

 

[two sheds]

Thames Water Sewage Engineer?

 

[cesare]

Thames Water Sewage Engineer?

Or the Marine Support Unit

 

[kalidarkone]

I think I'm still a Catholic in the church's eyes - I was baptised and never excommunicated - and I definitely don't have a problem with people criticising the church's hierarchy, misogynistic and homophobic doctrines, etc. etc.

Do you suffer with Catholic guilt?

I have many friends that were brought up in the Catholic Church, I've noticed on a really fundamental level with most of them (despite not being Catholic themselves) that there is a anxious, nervous concern with being judged by others, they have people pleasing tendencies and find receiving quite difficult. They seem to feel non deserving. Also all of them are quite rebellious- have very different alternative lifestyles to that of their upbringing, but always with an undercurrent of shame and guilt. I notice it mainly in my female friends.

 

[belboid]

Do you suffer with Catholic guilt?

gimme catholic guilt over a protestant work ethic, any day

 

[nogojones]

Creationism and taking the Bible literally is really more of a Protestant thing. The whole thing about Protestantism was about reading the Bible directly instead of relying on the interpretation from the Church so the literal truth of the word is much more important in Protestantism than Catholicism. The official line of the Catholic Church is "[God] created beings and allowed them to develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one, so that they were able to develop and to arrive at their fullness of being."

Don't really know why fundamentalist Protestants don't just go with that line instead of all the mental gymnastics about dinosaurs not existing etc.

Cos prods are dim and at the end of the day they're going stoking

 

[Pickman's model]

Appears from that he's taken a bit from one Christian tradition and a bit from another, and added them into his already existing mish mash of Buddhism and whatever else.

It may well have left him feeling "blessed and nourished", but there doesn't appear to be anything to it beyond his individualism and his ego.

I'd be vaguely interested to hear who baptised him. I'd be willing to bet it will be some two bob sect like the one his mate Calvin is part of.

i hope it leaves him with weil's disease

 

[kalidarkone]

because they are bloody mental its why the giants causeways has 3 plaques about its creation the geological one, the myth about Irish giants and one saying god did it so stop asking questions

I've got to say that I found giants causeway very disappointing. It's very small. I read a lot of Irish myths about Finn Mcool as a kid.

 

[Lurdan]

Appears from that he's taken a bit from one Christian tradition and a bit from another, and added them into his already existing mish mash of Buddhism and whatever else.

It may well have left him feeling "blessed and nourished", but there doesn't appear to be anything to it beyond his individualism and his ego.

I'd be vaguely interested to hear who baptised him. I'd be willing to bet it will be some two bob sect like the one his mate Calvin is part of.

Mish mash sums it up. The video of him doing the rosary got some fringe catholics excited but it's unlikely he's going there, or into any specific church other than his own. He posted a short video to TikTok back in March trying to drum up interest in the idea of 'taking the plunge'. "What church should I join?".

Spoiler: Video of Brand giving a rose a good pluck while talking shit

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[nogojones]

Do you suffer with Catholic guilt?

I have many friends that were brought up in the Catholic Church, I've noticed on a really fundamental level with most of them (despite not being Catholic themselves) that there is a anxious, nervous concern with being judged by others, they have people pleasing tendencies and find receiving quite difficult. They seem to feel non deserving. Also all of them are quite rebellious- have very different alternative lifestyles to that of their upbringing, but always with an undercurrent of shame and guilt. I notice it mainly in my female friends.

Yeah totally. Guilty as fuck.

I'd say I'm agnostic. I sure as shit don't believe in a kind and loving Abrahamic god, but who knows, something/s may have created our universe? I have no means of telling if it was just chance or not. But I'm not gonna bow down to any mean, petty deity who threatens hellfire or whatever.

 

[kalidarkone]

Yeah totally. Guilty as fuck.

I'd say I'm agnostic. I sure as shit don't believe in a kind and loving Abrahamic god, but who knows, something/s may have created our universe? I have no means of telling if it was just chance or not. But I'm not gonna bow down to any mean, petty deity who threatens hellfire or whatever.

Yes. It's the parents that delivered that fear I think. Like when you are a kid you just think at first that your parents can only be right and they know everything and you are safe.

Then you realise that they know nothing and are terrified of everything outside that structure, and that you never felt safe. That if you dare put one foot wrong by being yourself, which does not fit into the permitted script, then you will be judged to Kingdom come by people you thought had your back. That they had it all wrong.

(Late ma was not Catholic, but became increasingly religious after a lapse - which she had huge guilt about.)

 

[DaveCinzano]

i hope it leaves him with weil's disease

We know in our hearts that he is forever an exemplar of Weilness