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Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion

kalidarkone said:
Yes. It's the parents that delivered that fear I think. Like when you are a kid you just think at first that your parents can only be right and they know everything and you are safe.

Then you realise that they know nothing and are terrified of everything outside that structure, and that you never felt safe. That if you dare put one foot wrong by being yourself, which does not fit into the permitted script, then you will be judged to Kingdom come by people you thought had your back. That they had it all wrong.

(Late ma was not Catholic, but became increasingly religious after a lapse - which she had huge guilt about.)
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And the teachers and priests. I grew up in a very Irish immigrant community. I only knew one kid who wasn't a catholic 'til I was 16. We knew nothing better. As far as my Mum was concerned, you were a catholic or other. CoE, Anglican, Jew, Muslim, they were all just prods.

I saw through it by the time I was 13 or so, but there is a strange sort of conditioning that goes with it all that sticks.
 
nogojones said:
And the teachers and priests. I grew up in a very Irish immigrant community. I only knew one kid who wasn't a catholic 'til I was 16. We knew nothing better. As far as my Mum was concerned, you were a catholic or other. CoE, Anglican, Jew, Muslim, they were all just prods.

I saw through it by the time I was 13 or so, but there is a strange sort of conditioning that goes with it all that sticks.
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I was pretty much the opposite, grew up a Methodist and didn't meet any Catholics till 2 kids moved in across the road when I was 7 or 8. They referred to me as a Proddy Dog, which I found a bit confusing as I hadn't really twigged that different branches of Christianity weren't exactly on speaking terms. My Gran was a local preacher and not all that big on Catholicism, to say the least. It was 'challenging' for her, shall we say, when her son married a Catholic. :D

Whoa, hang on, religious biographies? What has happened to this thread? :eek:
 
kalidarkone said:
Do you suffer with Catholic guilt?

I have many friends that were brought up in the Catholic Church, I've noticed on a really fundamental level with most of them (despite not being Catholic themselves) that there is a anxious, nervous concern with being judged by others, they have people pleasing tendencies and find receiving quite difficult. They seem to feel non deserving. Also all of them are quite rebellious- have very different alternative lifestyles to that of their upbringing, but always with an undercurrent of shame and guilt. I notice it mainly in my female friends.
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Not Catholic but my G.Grandparent's were Jehovahs witnesses and they passed down a fucktonne of shame and guilt to us all that's for sure. They were not good people either by any means.
 
Wilf said:
I was pretty much the opposite, grew up a Methodist and didn't meet any Catholics till 2 kids moved in across the road when I was 7 or 8. They referred to me as a Proddy Dog, which I found a bit confusing as I hadn't really twigged that different branches of Christianity weren't exactly on speaking terms. My Gran was a local preacher and not all that big on Catholicism, to say the least. It was 'challenging' for her, shall we say, when her son married a Catholic. :D

Whoa, hang on, religious biographies? What has happened to this thread? :eek:
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Sorry to hear you'll be going to hell for all eternity for having the wrong Jesus
 
Wilf said:
I was pretty much the opposite, grew up a Methodist and didn't meet any Catholics till 2 kids moved in across the road when I was 7 or 8. They referred to me as a Proddy Dog, which I found a bit confusing as I hadn't really twigged that different branches of Christianity weren't exactly on speaking terms. My Gran was a local preacher and not all that big on Catholicism, to say the least. It was 'challenging' for her, shall we say, when her son married a Catholic. :D

Whoa, hang on, religious biographies? What has happened to this thread? :eek:
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Yeah maybe a new thread is needed.
Frankly way more interesting then Russell Brand.
 
andysays said:
Appears from that he's taken a bit from one Christian tradition and a bit from another, and added them into his already existing mish mash of Buddhism and whatever else.

It may well have left him feeling "blessed and nourished", but there doesn't appear to be anything to it beyond his individualism and his ego.

I'd be vaguely interested to hear who baptised him. I'd be willing to bet it will be some two bob sect like the one his mate Calvin is part of.
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I think Calvin is the only member of the Nordic Cathonazi clergyvolk in the UK
 
scalyboy said:
"He recently told Tucker Carlson, the former Fox News host, that the sexual assault allegations were “very, very hurtful”."

Me, me, me. What a c*nt.
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Yeah I wouldn't normally wish pain on anyone but I'll make an exception in this case. I'd be delighted if lots more very very hurtful happened to russel brand. Accusations, insults, pins, needles, sticks and stones will do for starters. Push the fucker's boundaries and don't ask for any consent.
 
Mumbles274 said:
Allegation of seuxal crimes aside. His whole "spiratual awakening" is fucking laughable and the cunt should be stoned to death for that alone

Who believes this shit?
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Well, I haven't read a word of what he's said about this 'awakening', but I suspect it could be true - in his own particular way. True in the sense that he has believed in anything in his life - socialism, yoga and feck knows what. The shallow superficial way any old psycho has 'interests' that they parade to the world without being deeply engaged in them. Oh yes, and the sex crimes.
 
Its meta-grift isnt it. Levels of sub-grift and by-grift. Grifting the grift to grift a new grift just like the old grift, with Jesus. And it's unassailable, because .. forgiveness! A soul saved is worth ten that never needed saving. Well people don't need medicine and I was sick, sick, sick .. I once was lost and now I'm found, a wretch like me etc. It's a perfect Christian redemption tale.


Till he fucks up. Which he will.

(Mind you, then it starts all over again. I was tempted, Lord, and I was weak...)
 
mojo pixy said:
Its meta-grift isnt it. Levels of sub-grift and by-grift. Grifting the grift to grift a new grift just like the old grift, with Jesus. And it's unassailable, because .. forgiveness! A soul saved is worth ten that never needed saving. Well people don't need medicine and I was sick, sick, sick .. I once was lost and now I'm found, a wretch like me etc. It's a perfect Christian redemption tale.


Till he fucks up. Which he will.

(Mind you, then it starts all over again. I was tempted, Lord, and I was weak...)
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The comments under shorts that have been posted by others are saturated with people celebrating, claiming they’ve been praying for him since blah blah, quoting scripture. I didn’t see any naysayers at all (my search was short and hurried, and a few days ago when it all started).
 
kalidarkone said:
Do you suffer with Catholic guilt?

I have many friends that were brought up in the Catholic Church, I've noticed on a really fundamental level with most of them (despite not being Catholic themselves) that there is a anxious, nervous concern with being judged by others, they have people pleasing tendencies and find receiving quite difficult. They seem to feel non deserving. Also all of them are quite rebellious- have very different alternative lifestyles to that of their upbringing, but always with an undercurrent of shame and guilt. I notice it mainly in my female friends.
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Having been raised RC I can attest this is very real and very widespread…
 
Guineveretoo said:
The Anglican priest who wrote this article is not convinced by Brand’s baptism.

inews.co.uk

Russell Brand is missing the point of a baptism

What I have seen is Russell Brand focusing on Russell Brand
inews.co.uk inews.co.uk
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Was arriving at similar points speaking about this with someone I know who went through an adult baptism into the CofE. You need to actually recognise your sins and see yourself in the eyes of God to seek forgiveness and to accept His love. Otherwise it's just a load of piffle. I'm not baptised or Xstian btw.
If RB were serving his sentence after an early guilty plea and we heard he had been baptised whilst doing his time it might have the ring of truth.
 
kenny g said:
Was arriving at similar points speaking about this with someone I know who went through an adult baptism into the CofE. You need to actually recognise your sins and see yourself in the eyes of God to seek forgiveness and to accept His love. Otherwise it's just a load of piffle. I'm not baptised or Xstian btw.
If RB were serving his sentence after an early guilty plea and we heard he had been baptised whilst doing his time it might have the ring of truth.
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Yes, and accepting your sins includes making reparations for them where possible, including cooperating with the justice system. It's not the wiping clean Brand thinks it is, it's just the start of it - or it's supposed to be. I'm not Christian, but I know people who've converted, and it's also just bloody obvious.
 
scifisam said:
Yes, and accepting your sins includes making reparations for them where possible, including cooperating with the justice system. It's not the wiping clean Brand thinks it is, it's just the start of it - or it's supposed to be. I'm not Christian, but I know people who've converted, and it's also just bloody obvious.
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He probably thinks his Youtube channel is like a system of Medieval Indulgences, with the added twist that he receives money from it.
 
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