Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion

[Orang Utan]

You made the joke thinking Catholics/Christians would be okay with it?

no, I just made the joke.

 

[andysays]

re: the joke - Brand was the target of that joke, not Jesus.
I can’t believe I’m having to explain this to a grown-up.

The target of the joke was clearly the Catholic church and those who are part of it as well as Brand.

There is still no evidence that Brand has joined the Catholic church, so your sneering comment just comes across as standard anti-Catholic bigotry

It's ironic that you refer to having to explain to a grown up; once again you demonstrate zero self awareness.

 

[Orang Utan]

But even Jesus washed his dick every now and then.

This is the ‘joke’. Wasn’t even a joke ffs. Just a line referring to Brand’s overall grubbiness.
Fucksake!

 

[Clair De Lune]

no, I just made the joke.

I'm going to pray for you

 

[Orang Utan]

is it a bad thing to have issues with Christianity anyway? What’s wrong with disagreeing with ideas you find problematic?

 

[Serge Forward]

On the issue of religion, Catholicism or whatnot... if there's ever going to be any meaningful change for the better, it will be done by working class people irrespective of religious, agnostic or atheist beliefs. In truth, some of the most decent human beings I've had dealings with have believed in religious stuff that makes absolutely no sense to me. I've also had dealings with the occasional socialist, anarchist or atheist who have been deeply unpleasant. Attack the hierarchies and powerful religious institutions by all means, but attacking those without power who happen to have personal religious beliefs is a dead end.

 

[bcuster]

is it a bad thing to have issues with Christianity anyway? What’s wrong with disagreeing with ideas you find problematic?

you probably actually mean you find some christians problematic, not christianity as a philosophy, right?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

you probably actually mean you find some christians problematic, not christianity as a philosophy, right?

A little of column A A little of column B

 

[ginger_syn]

you probably actually mean you find some christians problematic, not christianity as a philosophy, right?

No there are issues with the philosophy as well ,but then thats true of most religions and at the end of the day people being evil dicks is because of them being evil dicks irrespective of their religion.


Edited due to wayward esses.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

you probably actually mean you find some christians problematic, not christianity as a philosophy, right?

Not me. Some individual Christians are fine but christianity is utter bollocks.

 

[Orang Utan]

you probably actually mean you find some christians problematic, not christianity as a philosophy, right?

No. I was quite clear.

 

[bcuster]

Love your neighbor as yourself? Problematic?

 

[Orang Utan]

Love your neighbor as yourself? Problematic?

Eh?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Love your neighbor as yourself? Problematic?

Concept of original sin? Perfectly fine?

 

[kabbes]

Love your neighbor as yourself? Problematic?

How about Leviticus 19:19?

Ye shall keep My statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind; thou shalt not sow thy field with two kinds of seed; neither shall there come upon thee a garment of two kinds of stuff mingled together.

 

[Jimmy Don't]

On the issue of religion, Catholicism or whatnot... if there's ever going to be any meaningful change for the better, it will be done by working class people irrespective of religious, agnostic or atheist beliefs. In truth, some of the most decent human beings I've had dealings with have believed in religious stuff that makes absolutely no sense to me. I've also had dealings with the occasional socialist, anarchist or atheist who have been deeply unpleasant. Attack the hierarchies and powerful religious institutions by all means, but attacking those without power who happen to have personal religious beliefs is a dead end.

If someone believes in whatever flavour of sky pixie as literal fact, I question whether they can be trusted to have on input on anything important. That said, most of the Irish descent Catholics in my social circle don't believe at all, but pretended to to get their kids into better school.

 

[Wilf]

is it a bad thing to have issues with Christianity anyway? What’s wrong with disagreeing with ideas you find problematic?

Nothing at all but, maybe, be a 'grown up' when you are doing it.

 

[Orang Utan]

Nothing at all but, maybe, be a 'grown up' when you are doing it.

I was. I’m not the one making an issue of it

 

[Yossarian]

I think I'm still a Catholic in the church's eyes - I was baptised and never excommunicated - and I definitely don't have a problem with people criticising the church's hierarchy, misogynistic and homophobic doctrines, etc. etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

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[two sheds]

How about Leviticus 19:19?

I'd think more of Leviticus 20:10

“‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

 

[kabbes]

I'd think more of Leviticus 20:10

“‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

I mean — that just seems fair enough, really.

 

[Orang Utan]

I think I'm still a Catholic in the church's eyes - I was baptised and never excommunicated - and I definitely don't have a problem with people criticising the church's hierarchy, misogynistic and homophobic doctrines, etc. etc.

You can’t really get away from the fact that Christianity is inherently misogynistic. It’s incontrovertible.

 

[two sheds]

I mean — that just seems fair enough, really.

Good point well made

Mind you that puts 'christians' like Trump in a difficult position

 

[Serge Forward]

If someone believes in whatever flavour of sky pixie as literal fact, I question whether they can be trusted to have on input on anything important. That said, most of the Irish descent Catholics in my social circle don't believe at all, but pretended to to get their kids into better school.

If people want to believe in sky pixies or fairies at the bottom of the garden, then as long as they're on our side of the barricades when it comes to the crunch ("the crunch" being international proletarian revolution) then I don't give a fuck.

 

[Orang Utan]

You can’t really get away from the fact that Christianity is inherently misogynistic. It’s incontrovertible.

Actually I take that back as there very well may be Christian denominations that reject the first book of the Bible’s teachings

 

[nogojones]

I'd think more of Leviticus 20:10

“‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

So it's OK if she lives round the corner?

 

[Jimmy Don't]

You can’t really get away from the fact that Christianity is inherently misogynistic. It’s incontrovertible.

And based on a fairy tale. All the hate and badness inherent in it is perpetuated by telling kids made up stories are true before they are old enough know better.

 

[two sheds]

You can’t really get away from the fact that Christianity is inherently misogynistic. It’s incontrovertible.

Nonsense

although there's always Exodus 22:18

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

 

[Yossarian]

If people want to believe in sky pixies or fairies at the bottom of the garden, then as long as they're on our side of the barricades when it comes to the crunch ("the crunch" being international proletarian revolution) then I don't give a fuck.

The kicking money changers out of temples part is fine by me