Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion
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Shocking moment Russell Brand jokes about raping a woman in resurfaced show
RUSSELL Brand joked about raping a woman in a resurfaced video of a comedy show with Richard Herring. The comedian, 48, also made jibes about ancient Greeks having sex with children on Herring̵…
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ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
Not really. In the early 1980s there was a desire to reduce road accidents, and younger drivers were viewed as being less trustworthy. For this reason the federal government wanted states to raise the age where one could legally drink to 21. (You'd think they'd address the driving issue first, but hey-ho.) When some were reluctant, they were threatened with having their highway budget cut -- the federal government subsidises this sort of thing. So they all caved in.
He seems to have managed to rope in people, smart people, like Herring and Ross to enable this by them laughing along with him. A total psychopath. Such similarities with Saville. How could you sit in that audience and roar with laughter as someone makes jokes about rape?
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
What the actual...
I'd never even heard of that kind of thing before this. And yet you're saying it's a pretty common kink?!? Really?
8ball
1,200 lights
This might be a rabbit hole you don’t want to go down.
Eh?? Nope..
Age of consent here is 17.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Technically, Debbie Harry always expected you to call her.
Makes sense - driving is sacrosanct for some reason!
ska invita
back on the other side
Yes road accidents too, another public health intervention. It’s a linked issue.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Not in 1965, she was 20 and still at college doing an arts degree, Blondie wasn't formed until 1974
editor
hiraethified
Update from the BBC:
A spokesperson for the Met said: “We are aware of reporting by The Sunday Times and Channel 4's Dispatches about allegations of sexual offences.
“On Sunday, 17 September, the Met received a report of a sexual assault which was alleged to have taken place in Soho in central London in 2003. Officers are in contact with the woman and will be providing her with support.
“We first spoke with The Sunday Times on Saturday, 16 September and have since made further approaches to The Sunday Times and Channel 4 to ensure that anyone who believes they have been the victim of a sexual offence is aware of how to report this to the police.
“We continue to encourage anyone who believes they may have been a victim of a sexual offence, no matter how long ago it was, to contact us.”
Met Police confirms report of alleged sexual assault from 2003
We've just received an update from London's Metropolitan Police.A spokesperson for the Met said: “We are aware of reporting by The Sunday Times and Channel 4's Dispatches about allegations of sexual offences.
“On Sunday, 17 September, the Met received a report of a sexual assault which was alleged to have taken place in Soho in central London in 2003. Officers are in contact with the woman and will be providing her with support.
“We first spoke with The Sunday Times on Saturday, 16 September and have since made further approaches to The Sunday Times and Channel 4 to ensure that anyone who believes they have been the victim of a sexual offence is aware of how to report this to the police.
“We continue to encourage anyone who believes they may have been a victim of a sexual offence, no matter how long ago it was, to contact us.”
editor
hiraethified
And this is a very important point. I actually had someone come up to me in the pub last night insisting that it was suspicious that women had only just come forward, like it's an easy thing for a young woman - or, indeed, child - to accuse a rich and powerful and much older man and face having their lives/privacy/careers ruined:
Rosamud Urwin, the Sunday Times media editor, says journalists have contacted the Metropolitan Police in London about the allegations about Brand.
Speaking to the BBC earlier, Urwin says there have been many reports in recent months of authorities failing victims who come forward, which makes people less likely to report alleged assaults to police.
"We've had a lot of stories about why women don't have faith in the criminal justice system to get justice, and within that the police."
She adds there are many reasons people don't want to report crimes and they "find coming to the media, as hard as it is, a preferable option".
Alleged victims do not have faith in police, journalist says
Women choosing to report allegations of rape and sexual assault to journalists rather than the police is evidence of the lack of trust many people have in the authorities, a journalist working on the Brand story has told the BBC.Rosamud Urwin, the Sunday Times media editor, says journalists have contacted the Metropolitan Police in London about the allegations about Brand.
Speaking to the BBC earlier, Urwin says there have been many reports in recent months of authorities failing victims who come forward, which makes people less likely to report alleged assaults to police.
"We've had a lot of stories about why women don't have faith in the criminal justice system to get justice, and within that the police."
She adds there are many reasons people don't want to report crimes and they "find coming to the media, as hard as it is, a preferable option".
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
Just fuxk off you creepy prick
maomao
普費斯
Well if its legal, we're allowed to talk about it so fuck off.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
TBF I really wish journalists would not say things like that - for a start the media are not interested in investigating allegations of rape unless it is deemed newsworthy (and so financially worth investigating), so suggesting the media is an alternate way of reporting rape for every victim - or indeed the vast majority of victims - is just wrong.
Secondly the solution to improving the quality of rape investigations and outcomes at court is to hold the police, CPS, government and Parliaments feet to the fire until it gets better (and it absolutely needs to) and also to educate the public into what rape actually is (ie: not just when some horror snatches a woman off the street, or breaks into her home).
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
More women have come forward to The Times:
www.thetimes.co.uk
BBC and police begin inquiries as Russell Brand faces more claims
More women have come forward with allegations about their treatment by Russell Brand after the entertainment industry was rocked by accusations of rape and sexu
www.thetimes.co.uk
Sure but the fact remains that many, many women will not report rape/sexual assault to the police for various reasons. I know a lot of women* who've been raped or sexually assaulted and none of them has reported it to the police.
*Friends, people I know. I suspect the numbers are sadly not unusual.
Of course but how? I mean how to hold feet to the fire? How to educate the public? I mean Urban's pretty switched on but there are still some posters with pretty shocking attitudes on here.
bimble
floofy
yep. That's the depressingest bit imo.
I don't know whether the stats here (especially the one about 5% of reported rapes ever getting to court) are worse than elsewhere.
Maybe they are but a big part of the reason for that statistic must be that in these cases things will almost always boil down to 'he said she said'. And she says is not enough thats not how the system works. What can you do about that. That's the grim thing isn't it.
ETA there are specific pieces of evidence in this story, there's the text messages (proven to be from him) and there's the woman with records from the trauma treatment center, without those specific things in hand, checked and verified, i don't think they'd have even published.
That's how it is, and trying to imagine an alternative legal system where no such evidence is required to bring a case, i don't see how that'd work.
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oh fuccckkk offfff
I considered starting a thread on alternatives to the police last week. Not just on this issue but generally after a situation where there was little other option but call them for someone's wellbeing but at the same time not trusting them to deal with it at all.
The alternative is not journalist's but I can understand people who have experienced sexual abuse not approaching them when besides whatever failings there are in the handling of the abuse there is a fair chance you'll be subjected to more of the same.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I hadn't heard of it as a kink either, but TBF, if you're into something, there will always be someone else on the internet who is too (no doubt).
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Apologies if this has been covered, but I caught elsewhere that his agent has dropped him?His tour has just been cancelled
Which... is it reasonable to assume that it's very likely an agent would have heard about, if not actively assisted in covering up, these kind of allegations about one of their clients before they were made public? Particularly given the amount and... can't think of the right word, but over how many years the allegations span, basically.
I didn't see the whole of Dispatches but what I saw gave the impression that could be the case.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Indeed, but Unwin appeared to be suggesting that going to the media was something that victims could do as if it was an alternate route.
There have been loads of people inside and outside the Police and CPS raising issues of how to improve things, but they've rarely gotten any sustained improvement because the resourcing isn't enough or the people involved move on.
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