belboid
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Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion
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8ball
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Careful, now..
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
You will be shocked to learn that over the years Brand has repeatedly been linked to your old chums Narconon
Which it obviously generally isn't going to be.
It feels like this has been getting raised for a very long time yet here we are.
8ball
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He seems to paint it like he made a decision to leave the glitz behind and go into full time Messiah work, but this recent business does suggest other possible narratives.
bimble
floofy
yeah i know. But its true. There's no doubt a huge amount the police & courts could and need to do better but when thinking about the miniscule % which ever get to trial i think this part of it needs at least acknowledging, sexual abuse mostly happens behind closed doors with no witnesses no papertrail or fingerprints, it's not like other crimes. And the vast majority of people the ones who do not report what's happened at all they know this so whats the point.
Storm Fox
Trying the find the next noun to verb
In the last section of that article, "Russell Brand in his own words" excerpts from his memoirs, fucking hellMore women have come forward to The Times:
BBC and police begin inquiries as Russell Brand faces more claims
More women have come forward with allegations about their treatment by Russell Brand after the entertainment industry was rocked by accusations of rape and sexuwww.thetimes.co.uk
There seems to be deliberate manipulation with possible sexual assault, assault and criminal damage. He admitted these things, in his own words in his own books; yet people are supporting him.ETA archive link https://archive.ph/Ztrvo thanks editor
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The people who buy the books may find they can only wade so far through shit before putting the tome downIn the last section of that article, "Russell Brand in his own words" excerpts from his memoirs, fucking hell
Mumbles274
running from law and the press and the parents
I'm guessing the police would have contacted him to see if he'd like to give a voluntary interview? Pending an arrest warrant
editor
hiraethified
No, really?You will be shocked to learn that over the years Brand has repeatedly been linked to your old chums Narconon
Nice to see that Wikipedia has kept a record of the thieving bastards:
Accusation of website graphics design/layout plagiarism
In January 2001, Narconon came under fire when they appeared to plagiarize the entire layout and site design of the webzine Urban75.com for their websites heroinaddiction.com and cocaineaddiction.com, among others.[179] The editor of Urban75 posted up comparisons of the copying, showing that Narconon had not even removed Urban75's hidden JavaScript code, unique to Urban75.[180] The Register noted the irony of this scandal, quoting a critic who wrote, "Scientology has sued countless individuals and organizations putatively [sic] for 'copyright violation' and the organization claims loudly that they're at the 'forefront of protecting proprietary information on the Internet'."[181]
8ball
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In the last section of that article, "Russell Brand in his own words" excerpts from his memoirs, fucking hell
That Solzhenitzyn (sp?) quote at the end, though - what a weird thing to include.
editor
hiraethified
Here's a non paywall link https://archive.ph/ZtrvoIn the last section of that article, "Russell Brand in his own words" excerpts from his memoirs, fucking hell
8ball
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Storm Fox
Trying the find the next noun to verb
I got the quoting wrong. I've added the correct link.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It feels like this has been getting raised for a very long time yet here we are.
In the Met's case its either three or four goes at reform in the past twenty years, at least one of which (the brief period when there was a dedicated centralized unit that was solely focused on these offences) could have worked if they'd staffed it with enough people and gave them the necessary support.
Sadly the cuts intervened and they got amalgamated with another department, and then put back under local control when local policing was reorganized.
bimble
floofy
What do you think it would look like if we had a good, fit for purpose system, in the police & the courts? Specifically, what sort of 'evidence' would you need to bring a prosecution in these cases, or would victim testimony be enough.
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
As previously said in this thread I’m more than happy to be corrected so please tell me what’s wrong with that and what the law actually is.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
See one reason (and just one) why people don't report it. Going to his flat - at 16, no less - is evidence of complicity. The person above is unfortunately not unusual in this line of thinking.
Then they've got to deal with the police, many of whom have shown themselves to be misogynist in their "banter" at best, rapists and even murderers at worst. Who'd trust them with stuff like this? I wouldn't. Then if they relive their ordeal enough and manage to get the CPS to allow it to get to court, they have to wait at least two years where they can be violated again, and for what? A tiny chance of a conviction which even then might well not lead to any real protection for the victim from their attacker.
anna wharton @whartonswords
When I was a young court reporter, I cannot tell you the number of rape trials I sat through where I saw juries acquit, only for the judge afterwards to read out the accused’s previous convictions for rape that the jury weren’t allowed to know about during the trial.
10:00 AM · Sep 18, 2023 338.4K Views
Society is extremely cautious about convicting men for rape. It is always a he said, she said. It’s so much easier to doubt the women involved than ruin ‘a good man’. To juries, rapists are the men who wait for us down dark alleys with knives, yet most rapists are men we know.
10:04 AM · Sep 18, 2023 47.2K Views
When I was a young court reporter, I cannot tell you the number of rape trials I sat through where I saw juries acquit, only for the judge afterwards to read out the accused’s previous convictions for rape that the jury weren’t allowed to know about during the trial.
10:00 AM · Sep 18, 2023 338.4K Views
Society is extremely cautious about convicting men for rape. It is always a he said, she said. It’s so much easier to doubt the women involved than ruin ‘a good man’. To juries, rapists are the men who wait for us down dark alleys with knives, yet most rapists are men we know.
10:04 AM · Sep 18, 2023 47.2K Views
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
For the Police, I think the ideal would be a centralised unit with the required resourcing and with everyone from top to bottom understanding their importance and how they can be supported. The least criticised and best performing bit of the Met are the homicide teams (MIT), and any long term improvement in how these offences are investigated is going to look something like they do.
In terms of judicial process its difficult to say - I don't think you could ever have a fair system on victim testimony alone, and there are going to be many cases where proving to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that an offence took place will be difficult. Its only putting the best possible case before them that would help there, as well as the population generally being educated on what rape is, what rape myths are out there etc.
bimble
floofy
i know i'm being annoying, with the evidence thing. It's coming from a glum place of thinking about how the really hard part isn't reforming the police or fiddling about with consent law its how to deal with the fact that people like brand (and his famous supporters) they dont just get tolerated they're adored, admired and celebrated and rewarded, so it feels like what needs to change is so big.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Shit. How can there be any doubt about what he is? It's all there.In the last section of that article, "Russell Brand in his own words" excerpts from his memoirs, fucking hell
ETA archive link https://archive.ph/Ztrvo thanks editor
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
The law is the age of consent is 17 in Ireland.
There have been cases of 15 and 16 abd 17 yr olds who were referred to TUSLA (Child protection) because of sexual activity between them within that 2 yr age gap. TUSLA decided whether to investigate and / or call in the Gardai..but the Law as written stated very clearly thar the age of consent is 17 yrs
Not sure why you believe Wikipedia over stated law?? The fact that some cases are not prosecuted does not mean the law has changed.
Agreed, the age of consent is 17. The Wikipedia wording is the same as the law. As I said, I was paraphrasing and missed the nuance, it is a defence not a change in the age of consent. It seems a sensible approach.
Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act 2017, Section 17
The electronic Irish Statute Book (eISB) comprises the Acts of the Oireachtas (Parliament), Statutory Instruments, Legislation Directory, Constitution and a limited number of pre-1922 Acts.
www.irishstatutebook.ie
Aladdin
Well-Known Member
Yes...but why post it as if the law permits underage sex? It doesn't... It is a way to avoid prosecution in certain circumstances.
Anyway.. point made.
Back to Brand..and his despicable behaviour.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
His agent has dumped him. His upcoming shows have been 'postponed' and his publisher has his latest project 'on hold'.
Lessons it would seem, have been learned.
Lessons it would seem, have been learned.
Sweet FA
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They really haven't.
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