Not always as BigTom points out. And can't see the 'logic mess' either.
Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion
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paul mckenna
Bellend
Well, then I guess the law defines consent with a child (16+) as lawful. But you're blurring semantics, clearly on purposeShe was still a child, as defined by the law:
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Covers legislation and definitions about children’s rights, ages of consent and criminal responsibility, school leaving age, child employment and GDPR.learning.nspcc.org.uk
Suggest you listen to her interview on Women’s Hour from this morning.
May Kasahara
take me to the feeling
Tbh this person is either being wilfully obtuse (in which case, gross) or trolling (in which case, gross), so my suggestion would be that they fuck off this thread until they can engage more thoughtfully.
paul mckenna
Bellend
Little thought experiment here:
You're a guy who just turned 16. The year is 1965. You idolise Blondy and fancy Debby Harry (30 years old). You blag tickets to see her/them in concert. She stops the limousine and beckons you inside. You have a wild night and exchange numbers
Are you:
- traumatised
- exhilarated
Your parents find out and explain the power dynamics at play and that you are in shock and something awful just happened. She calls again.
Do you:
- go to the authorities and file a complaint
- sprint to her location
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Ask this to 100 guys and 90%+ would say yes. Ask this to 100 women (with perhaps Jim Morrison instead), a lower but still high proportion would also say yes
You're a guy who just turned 16. The year is 1965. You idolise Blondy and fancy Debby Harry (30 years old). You blag tickets to see her/them in concert. She stops the limousine and beckons you inside. You have a wild night and exchange numbers
Are you:
- traumatised
- exhilarated
Your parents find out and explain the power dynamics at play and that you are in shock and something awful just happened. She calls again.
Do you:
- go to the authorities and file a complaint
- sprint to her location
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Ask this to 100 guys and 90%+ would say yes. Ask this to 100 women (with perhaps Jim Morrison instead), a lower but still high proportion would also say yes
andysays
Love and solidarity
The details of the interview are also reported on the BBC news website.
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
I just tried this, all 200 respondents said you're a dick.
editor
hiraethified
No, I'm stating the law. And under the terms of that law, he had sex with a child.
JimW
支那暗杀团
It made the front page of AP but not super prominent.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Fuck off.
paul mckenna
Bellend
lawfully
And you're not stating any law. You're stating the definition of a child's age range
editor
hiraethified
You're confusing fantasy with reality. Young people fantasise about all sorts of things, but I doubt there were many 16 year old girls who fantasised about having a cock violently shoved so far down their mouths that they had to punch the man as hard as they could to make it stop. Or being made to feel worthless and used afterwards.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
You post like a 16 year old
editor
hiraethified
So you're absolutely ok with a rich and powerful 31 year old man grooming and then having sex with a minor, yes?
BigTom
Well-Known Member
No, it's not in all cases.
If a teacher has sex with a 17 year old 6th former, is that legal in your opinion?
paul mckenna
Bellend
We're going round in circles. I find it distasteful and all the other bad emotions. But i think it's very wrong that these allegations can be broadcast in public when they fit the definition of legality
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
The girl has accused RB of forcing his cock into her throat and making her gag and cry. Not phoning her and asking her to meet up.
Please stop this triggering crap.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
What she's alleging is NOT LEGAL. She's alleging serious sexual assault.
paul mckenna
Bellend
No, but this is different.
What you describe would be covered under the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000
Little thought experiment:
It’s 2010, you are a 30 year old man, do you ask girls you know are 16 out on dates?
Rape and sexual assault aren't legal. And according to 'Alice's' testimony, he raped her. And he raped/sexually assaulted the other women according to their testimonies too.
bimble
floofy
When the topic of big age differences comes around i'm usually sat here a bit lonely saying we should avoid rush to judgement and blanket rules about what’s ok what’s not ok etc but that's so not the point here is it?
A woman has gone to great lengths to spell out to us exactly how she feels about what happened to her when she was 16. Having read that & tried a bit to imagine what it was like for her back then and in the years following, it just feels completely gross people using her very personal and specific story as a handy jumping off board for the same old abstract theoretical discussion. Just yuck.
A woman has gone to great lengths to spell out to us exactly how she feels about what happened to her when she was 16. Having read that & tried a bit to imagine what it was like for her back then and in the years following, it just feels completely gross people using her very personal and specific story as a handy jumping off board for the same old abstract theoretical discussion. Just yuck.
paul mckenna
Bellend
No I personally would not. But if i did I don't think it would mean i forego my rights of fair process and have the allegations made public
On balance, I think we have the line in the right place in this country.
Let's take a look at Iran:
and the chart below, over 34% of all marriages registered officially in 1394 (2015-2016) is
related to the underage brides. There is no statistics on unofficial under-age girl marriages but
this phenomenon exists
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Little thought experiment: if for some reason this prick was no longer allowed to post here, would that be any sort of loss?
paul mckenna
Bellend
Yes, she has gone to great lengths. And that's fine in some ways. But the fact they've been packaged and broadcast is a huge breakdown in fair process
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