Not always as BigTom points out. And can't see the 'logic mess' either.What a logic mess you've gotten into there.
The age of consent is 16
Not always as BigTom points out. And can't see the 'logic mess' either.What a logic mess you've gotten into there.
The age of consent is 16
Well, then I guess the law defines consent with a child (16+) as lawful. But you're blurring semantics, clearly on purposeShe was still a child, as defined by the law:
Children and the law | NSPCC Learning
Covers legislation and definitions about children’s rights, ages of consent and criminal responsibility, school leaving age, child employment and GDPR.learning.nspcc.org.uk
Suggest you listen to her interview on Women’s Hour from this morning.Well, then I guess the law defines consent with a child (16+) as lawful. But you're blurring semantics, clearly on purpose
The details of the interview are also reported on the BBC news website.Suggest you listen to her interview on Women’s Hour from this morning.
I just tried this, all 200 respondents said you're a dick.Little thought experiment here:
This:Little thought experiment here:
You're a guy who just turned 16. The year is 1965. You idolise Blondy and fancy Debby Harry (30 years old). You blag tickets to see her/them in concert. She stops the limousine and beckons you inside. You have a wild night and exchange numbers
Are you:
- traumatised
- exhilarated
Your parents find out and explain the power dynamics at play and that you are in shock and something awful just happened. She calls again.
Do you:
- go to the authorities and file a complaint
- sprint to her location
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Ask this to 100 guys and 90%+ would say yes. Ask this to 100 women (with perhaps Jim Morrison instead), a lower but still high proportion would also say yes
Tbh this person is either being wilfully obtuse (in which case, gross) or trolling (in which case, gross), so my suggestion would be that they fuck off this thread until they can engage more thoughtfully.
No, I'm stating the law. And under the terms of that law, he had sex with a child.Well, then I guess the law defines consent with a child (16+) as lawful. But you're blurring semantics, clearly on purpose
It made the front page of AP but not super prominent.Also i've not watched it but i understand at least one case happened in Los Angeles so would I assume be a matter for police and courts over there? Is this news in the US? I don't know how well known he is over there?
Little thought experiment here:
You're a guy who just turned 16. The year is 1965. You idolise Blondy and fancy Debby Harry (30 years old). You blag tickets to see her/them in concert. She stops the limousine and beckons you inside. You have a wild night and exchange numbers
Are you:
- traumatised
- exhilarated
Your parents find out and explain the power dynamics at play and that you are in shock and something awful just happened. She calls again.
Do you:
- go to the authorities and file a complaint
- sprint to her location
---
Ask this to 100 guys and 90%+ would say yes. Ask this to 100 women (with perhaps Jim Morrison instead), a lower but still high proportion would also say yes
lawfullyNo, I'm stating the law. And under the terms of that law, he had sex with a child.
You're confusing fantasy with reality. Young people fantasise about all sorts of things, but I doubt there were many 16 year old girls who fantasised about having a cock violently shoved so far down their mouths that they had to punch the man as hard as they could to make it stop. Or being made to feel worthless and used afterwards.Little thought experiment here:
You're a guy who just turned 16. The year is 1965. You idolise Blondy and fancy Debby Harry (30 years old). You blag tickets to see her/them in concert. She stops the limousine and beckons you inside. You have a wild night and exchange numbers
Are you:
- traumatised
- exhilarated
Your parents find out and explain the power dynamics at play and that you are in shock and something awful just happened. She calls again.
Do you:
- go to the authorities and file a complaint
- sprint to her location
---
Ask this to 100 guys and 90%+ would say yes. Ask this to 100 women (with perhaps Jim Morrison instead), a lower but still high proportion would also say yes
You post like a 16 year oldLittle thought experiment here:
You're a guy who just turned 16. The year is 1965. You idolise Blondy and fancy Debby Harry (30 years old). You blag tickets to see her/them in concert. She stops the limousine and beckons you inside. You have a wild night and exchange numbers
Are you:
- traumatised
- exhilarated
Your parents find out and explain the power dynamics at play and that you are in shock and something awful just happened. She calls again.
Do you:
- go to the authorities and file a complaint
- sprint to her location
---
Ask this to 100 guys and 90%+ would say yes. Ask this to 100 women (with perhaps Jim Morrison instead), a lower but still high proportion would also say yes
So you're absolutely ok with a rich and powerful 31 year old man grooming and then having sex with a minor, yes?lawfully
And you're not stating any law. You're stating the definition of a child's age range
No, it's not in all cases.What a logic mess you've gotten into there.
The age of consent is 16
The girl has accused RB of forcing his cock into her throat and making her gag and cry. Not phoning her and asking her to meet up.Little thought experiment here:
You're a guy who just turned 16. The year is 1965. You idolise Blondy and fancy Debby Harry (30 years old). You blag tickets to see her/them in concert. She stops the limousine and beckons you inside. You have a wild night and exchange numbers
Are you:
- traumatised
- exhilarated
Your parents find out and explain the power dynamics at play and that you are in shock and something awful just happened. She calls again.
Do you:
- go to the authorities and file a complaint
- sprint to her location
---
Ask this to 100 guys and 90%+ would say yes. Ask this to 100 women (with perhaps Jim Morrison instead), a lower but still high proportion would also say yes
What she's alleging is NOT LEGAL. She's alleging serious sexual assault.We're going round in circles. I find it distasteful and all the other bad emotions. But i think it's very wrong that these allegations can be broadcast in public when they fit the definition of legality
No, but this is different.No, it's not in all cases.
If a teacher has sex with a 17 year old 6th former, is that legal in your opinion?
Little thought experiment:Little thought experiment here:
You're a guy who just turned 16. The year is 1965. You idolise Blondy and fancy Debby Harry (30 years old). You blag tickets to see her/them in concert. She stops the limousine and beckons you inside. You have a wild night and exchange numbers
Are you:
- traumatised
- exhilarated
Your parents find out and explain the power dynamics at play and that you are in shock and something awful just happened. She calls again.
Do you:
- go to the authorities and file a complaint
- sprint to her location
---
Ask this to 100 guys and 90%+ would say yes. Ask this to 100 women (with perhaps Jim Morrison instead), a lower but still high proportion would also say yes
Rape and sexual assault aren't legal. And according to 'Alice's' testimony, he raped her. And he raped/sexually assaulted the other women according to their testimonies too.We're going round in circles. I find it distasteful and all the other bad emotions. But i think it's very wrong that these allegations can be broadcast in public when they fit the definition of legality
No I personally would not. But if i did I don't think it would mean i forego my rights of fair process and have the allegations made publicLittle thought experiment:
It’s 2010, you are a 30 year old man, do you ask girls you know are 16 out on dates?
and the chart below, over 34% of all marriages registered officially in 1394 (2015-2016) isAs could be seen on the table
Yes, she has gone to great lengths. And that's fine in some ways. But the fact they've been packaged and broadcast is a huge breakdown in fair processWhen the topic of big age differences comes around i'm usually sat here a bit lonely saying we should avoid rush to judgement and blanket rules about what’s ok what’s not ok etc but that's so not the point here is it?
A woman has gone to great lengths to spell out to us exactly how she feels about what happened to her when she was 16. Having read that & tried a bit to imagine what it was like for her back then and in the years following, it just feels completely gross people using her very personal and specific story as a handy jumping off board for the same old abstract theoretical discussion. Just yuck.