BigTom
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With Brand on, they will have done it knowingly I reckon.
Russell Brand on Revolution
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With Brand on, they will have done it knowingly I reckon.
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what i'd like to see is a battle of the brands - jo v russell
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
would that be the first married couple they've had on the show?
BigTom
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Held at Brands Hatch
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Starry Wisdom
i think jo might be the likely winner
J Ed
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They need a proper democracy with a House of Lords and a monarch and private schools for an elite which Owen Jones can pressure to give scholarships to a handful of working-class kids
elbows
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In that and several other regards, I wonder if he knows he is part of the latest echo of the counter-culture, hippie, youth-culture thing thats been around in reasonably consistent form for rather a number of decades now? Certainly with variations in available accessories to suit, such as extent that drugs, environmentalism, spiritualism, new-age or magical thinking, conspiracy theories, actual political stances and technology feature in the mix. But at its core this stuff, which is more about rites of passage for people of a certain age than it is the future for all humankind, tends to have a predictable conclusion that doesn't shake the world to its very foundation. OK there is always the chance that when exposed to a different set of events and circumstances it could result in a meaningful response this time around. But I'll bet against it unless a bunch of really good ideas are injected somewhere along the way.
Elbows: Very true. All seems a bit new-age crusty. "Spritiuality"? Per-lease.
But I do think it is a bit off to really slag the guy. He was protesting/guerrilla gardening back in 2000 and so on. So he hasn't suddenly decided to be Tony Blair's best mate when he became rich. Fair dos.
If he was sitting next to me I would say...you need to be much more careful and precise. You read Chomsky you say, well you should understand the power of language and association. Giving any time to people like Icke and Easeman as well as using Johan Hari - something I can barely believe, why not instantly discredit yourself - is going to damage you. They are likely using you to gain exposure. You need to be much more careful, a lot more circumspect. Use your money as well, without too many conditions, to support existing work going on. Money is power.
But I do think it is a bit off to really slag the guy. He was protesting/guerrilla gardening back in 2000 and so on. So he hasn't suddenly decided to be Tony Blair's best mate when he became rich. Fair dos.
If he was sitting next to me I would say...you need to be much more careful and precise. You read Chomsky you say, well you should understand the power of language and association. Giving any time to people like Icke and Easeman as well as using Johan Hari - something I can barely believe, why not instantly discredit yourself - is going to damage you. They are likely using you to gain exposure. You need to be much more careful, a lot more circumspect. Use your money as well, without too many conditions, to support existing work going on. Money is power.
Jean-Luc
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Actually I think he probably does think that. I don't myself. Nothing against grassroots activism, but I don't think it can lead to revolution, only to never-ending activism (or rather reactivism to something capitalism throws up).
I suspect that many of those who call themselves anarchists or go to the anarchist bookfair will have the same sort of views as him.
Incidentally, which sect (anarchist?) are you in?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...working-9935076.html?dkdk?cmpid=facebook-post
Russell Brand's revolution. Fuck off now. Anything he mentions is either a victory or defeat for Brand not the people who have been involved in something for Months, years or decades. It doesn't matter how sincere he is. This is damaging. It might not matter in Jean Luc's world where activism happens in a vacuum so has no effect on anything beyond the immediate issue and has no effect on the people involved, observers and larger struggles. If Brand once to get involved there are better ways to do it. He does a lot more than me so good on him for that over the years I've seen or heard of plenty of (admitedly less famous) celebs getting involved as just another person. Some involved in campaigns for years without vultures like heat magazine or newsnight circling or being dragged into it in a counterproductive way. Activism as a side show to celebrity rather than activism which happens to have some guy from whatever is popular involved. The ironic thing is I can't remember the names of the celebs I mean, only the likes of Brand or Brian May.
Russell Brand's revolution. Fuck off now. Anything he mentions is either a victory or defeat for Brand not the people who have been involved in something for Months, years or decades. It doesn't matter how sincere he is. This is damaging. It might not matter in Jean Luc's world where activism happens in a vacuum so has no effect on anything beyond the immediate issue and has no effect on the people involved, observers and larger struggles. If Brand once to get involved there are better ways to do it. He does a lot more than me so good on him for that over the years I've seen or heard of plenty of (admitedly less famous) celebs getting involved as just another person. Some involved in campaigns for years without vultures like heat magazine or newsnight circling or being dragged into it in a counterproductive way. Activism as a side show to celebrity rather than activism which happens to have some guy from whatever is popular involved. The ironic thing is I can't remember the names of the celebs I mean, only the likes of Brand or Brian May.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm not. I'm an old-fashioned freethinker who prefers to avoid sectarian dogma if at all possible.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
that's a revolting article. It made me quite cross.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yep. If only people could have foreseen such an outcome. If only we knew!!!
Check out the journo btw - two days ago she was calling the letter that right-winger wrote to brand 'hilarious'. The rest of her stuff is glamour celeb shite and pimping oxbridge to tourists.
Check out the journo btw - two days ago she was calling the letter that right-winger wrote to brand 'hilarious'. The rest of her stuff is glamour celeb shite and pimping oxbridge to tourists.
Mungy
i haz boobz
i think there is a difference between what rb says and does and what the media report him saying or doing. i really don't think that rb see this as his victory, but as one for the families on the new era estate. the media have tried smearing him, he says i've been a shit and i am trying to better myself. so now they praise him, he'll probably say something like thank you very much, but the families won, i was there to support them and their actions.
hate the man, sure. i'm trusting rb to tell me what he as said and what he thinks, rather than the larger media organism. my checks and balances to being hoodwinked are what other people say, specifically for me, you lot on urban. this is the only forum i belong to that i feel part of, and i trust the opinions of quite a few on here. whether intended or not, urban has shaped my thinking over the last decade
hate the man, sure. i'm trusting rb to tell me what he as said and what he thinks, rather than the larger media organism. my checks and balances to being hoodwinked are what other people say, specifically for me, you lot on urban. this is the only forum i belong to that i feel part of, and i trust the opinions of quite a few on here. whether intended or not, urban has shaped my thinking over the last decade
I don't think anyone here is saying any different.
He can say what he likes but more people will hear the medias version of events than his. They don't even need to report on what he says just associate everything with him, make his role the talking point. Brand can do it all. He's got them on the run. No need for grassroots activism especially not the sort independent of Russ.
People like those on here who've had years of experience doing shit who are not going along with it are splitters, purists and consumed by dogma. Commented on that independent article about the negatives of celeb involvement and was told without explanation I was short sighted and not seeing the big picture. Someone else was bemoaning the lack of Faith (fucking faith) the British public had in Brand.
elbows
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Since the bulk of my posts here are critical about Brand in all manner of ways, I should probably restate that I wouldn't still be joining in if I didn't think there was any potential there at all.
Indeed a great deal of what infuriates me about the likes of Brand and Assange is that there is obvious opportunity there. That makes seeing it squandered or festooned with horrible, counterproductive sentiments from the famous protagonists in the seat of opportunity all the more annoying.
If I take the main criticisms to their natural conclusion, I suppose I should really go beyond attacking specific figureheads, and spend more time discussing the perils of relying on charismatic individuals at all. Especially when they are liable to use their charisma for many diverse purposes that can conflict badly with each other, such as trying to spearhead a movement whilst simultaneously wooing numerous people into bed.
Cant we use all this new-fangled information technology to find new ways to form entities that consist of many, in a manner that can cancel out some of the numerous failings of the individual, without repeating all the numerous horrors of mass organisations of the past?
Indeed a great deal of what infuriates me about the likes of Brand and Assange is that there is obvious opportunity there. That makes seeing it squandered or festooned with horrible, counterproductive sentiments from the famous protagonists in the seat of opportunity all the more annoying.
If I take the main criticisms to their natural conclusion, I suppose I should really go beyond attacking specific figureheads, and spend more time discussing the perils of relying on charismatic individuals at all. Especially when they are liable to use their charisma for many diverse purposes that can conflict badly with each other, such as trying to spearhead a movement whilst simultaneously wooing numerous people into bed.
Cant we use all this new-fangled information technology to find new ways to form entities that consist of many, in a manner that can cancel out some of the numerous failings of the individual, without repeating all the numerous horrors of mass organisations of the past?
i think it is noteworthy because its an affection he puts on when discussingWho gives a fuck how he's dressed? FFS.
Anyway, it's interesting that he claims ignorance of a political situation that he's surely very familiar with, as his recently ex-Mrs is the ex of the opposition leader he speaks of so approvingly. Considering one of the things he bangs on about is the hidden (and not so hidden) links between the powerful, you'd have thought he'd declare his interest rather than playing dumb.
Islam, havent watched enough brand to see if he does it on secular issues but its a wee bit odd.
Brands rebuttal of the bank lunch guy is a good riposte, nowt wrong with a bit of doorstopping imho.
http://www.russellbrand.com/2014/12/8164/
http://www.russellbrand.com/2014/12/8164/
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Capitalists, eh? It's almost like they're turning rebellion into money...
J Ed
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These dickheads have difficulty navigating through both history and the present without doing it via Great Men or their modern day equivalents. Feminism is navigated through Beyonce's latest utterances, race through Obama and that socialism stuff through Russell Brand. It's vacuous and stupid but fuck it they get paid for putting it in the paper so why try harder?
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Starry Wisdom
walking down cecil court earlier i saw 'revolution' in the window of watkins books, the famous esoterick booksellers.
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