Rotherham child rape gangs: At least 1400 victims

[butchersapron]

yeh only people like you who've travelled the world can see the big picture.

Sort of sounds like, if you haven't you've not seen what 'they' are really like doesn't it?

 

[butchersapron]

right. so where in the koran does it say this then? i mean, if it's part of jihad then surely it's in the koran. or you're spouting shit. my money's on the spouting shit.

Let's not forget that he was explicit in adding this onto "race".

 

[butchersapron]

And his boat, his house, his lush studio, his multifarious travels.

 

[pk]

right. so where in the koran does it say this then? i mean, if it's part of jihad then surely it's in the koran. or you're spouting shit. my money's on the spouting shit.

It seems to be a common theme in certain mosques from certain imams...
'Imams promote grooming rings', Muslim leader claims

 

[pk]

yeh only people like you who've travelled the world can see the big picture.

How many muslim countries have you been to?
How many muslim majority UK areas have you lived in?
Yet you claim to be some sort of expert?

Sure the cops fucked up. They always do.
But this isn’t about the cops.

This is about the left. This is about the refusal to accept what is now acknowledged fact.
Even now you’re wriggling. This is why.

 

[pk]

And his boat, his house, his lush studio, his multifarious travels.

I don’t have a boat. Would be too tempting to drop people off the side of it wearing concrete boots.

 

[SpookyFrank]

This is true, and I’m always keen to point out to far right - the vigilante sting groups that have sprung up almost always catch right wing white “patriots” - but a failure to acknowledge basic uncomfortable truths about the toxicity of Pakistani attutudes to women, especially non-muslim women, has led to many more being enslaved and victimised.
And in light of the Telford revelations it’s time the left woke the fuck up.

If you were as worldly and well-travelled as you claim you might have noticed that attitudes towards and treatment of women are quite different in Pakistan and in British Pakistani communities. I would argue that if there's a pattern then it's one which follows a more general trend of marginalised, disenfranchised groups everywhere to find someone even more vulnerable over whom to exert power. Predictably it ends up being women and children within those groups who suffer.

If it were a muslim or a Pakistani issue, wouldn't we expect the culprits to reflect the whole of British muslim or British Pakistani society? Because they don't, they're overwhelmingly working class. Similar patterns can be seen in disenfranchised groups of white people, notably Irish travellers in this country.

 

[butchersapron]

Sort of sounds like, if you haven't you've not seen what 'they' are really like doesn't it?

And on top of that, as you well know, it was the likes of me and you that had to bear the brunt of years of accusations of racism for being anti-islam (as a religion) and demanding that the left recognise internal differences - class differences within muslim 'communities'. Whilst millionaire super-star Djs and wonderful fathers were lying about cutting off facists ears and burning down their pubs and shouting very quietly about 'sexual jihad'. It's wasn't them countering UBA all those years ago.

But, this is sad shit isn't it? I may get my paul mason/milhouse pic out in a minute.

 

[pk]

And on top of that, as you well know, it was the likes of me and you that had to bear the brunt of years of accusations of racism for being anti-islam (as a religion) and demanding that the left recognise internal differences - class differences within muslim 'communities'. Whilst millionaire super-star Djs and wonderful fathers were lying about cutting off facists ears and burning down their pubs and shouting very quietly about 'sexual jihad'. It's wasn't them countering UBA all those years ago.

But, this is sad shit isn't it? I may get my paul mason/milhouse pic out in a minute.

No you just flat out denied such a thing as the specific targetting of non-muslim girls even existed. Wouldn’t even entertain the idea.

I’m not here to say “told you so” (although obviously I am!) as much as I’m here to say “don’t fucking make that mistake again”.

Because that really would be sad.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, you def wouldn't find me saying this on this very thread. Your obsession with heroising yourself and your small town racism is not what this thread or the wider issue needs. Please go back to your family.

 

[Pickman's model]

It seems to be a common theme in certain mosques from certain imams...
'Imams promote grooming rings', Muslim leader claims

yeh. that's one article from five years ago. is that the best you've got? one article indicates a common theme? pisspoor, even by your abysmal standards

 

[pk]

Yes, you def wouldn't find me saying this on this very thread. Your obsession with heroising yourself and your small town racism is not what this thread or the wider issue needs. Please go back to your family.

Amazing. You’re still using the “racism” card.

This is why the left is utterly fucked. You’re just stuck on repeat. How sad. Go read a book and pretend you’re doing good things.

 

[Pickman's model]

How many muslim countries have you been to?
How many muslim majority UK areas have you lived in?
Yet you claim to be some sort of expert?

Sure the cops fucked up. They always do.
But this isn’t about the cops.

This is about the left. This is about the refusal to accept what is now acknowledged fact.
Even now you’re wriggling. This is why.

i don't claim to be an expert. i'm not wriggling. but be specific, to what 'acknowledged fact' are you referring here - and pls provide your source for this alleged fact.

 

[Pickman's model]

Amazing. You’re still using the “racism” card.

This is why the left is utterly fucked. You’re just stuck on repeat. How sad. Go read a book and pretend you’re doing good things.

i see your family not so interesting today.

 

[pk]

yeh. that's one article from five years ago. is that the best you've got? one article indicates a common theme? pisspoor, even by your abysmal standards

That’s all I can be arsed with this morning.
It’s a waste of time trying to convince you of the obvious.

 

[pk]

i see your family not so interesting today.

More interesting than you will ever be, chief, but they’re at work/school so I get to diversify.

You should try it.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

yeh. that's one article from five years ago. is that the best you've got? one article indicates a common theme? pisspoor, even by your abysmal standards

Here's a more recent article. Grooming gangs of Muslim men failed to integrate into British society

 

[Pickman's model]

That’s all I can be arsed with this morning.
It’s a waste of time trying to convince you of the obvious.

what, that these grooming gangs are fulfilling a religious obligation? because that's what you've claimed yet you can't offer the basis for this religious obligation, which undermines any article from right-wing papers you post.

 

[pk]

what, that these grooming gangs are fulfilling a religious obligation? because that's what you've claimed yet you can't offer the basis for this religious obligation, which undermines any article from right-wing papers you post.

Fulfilling a religious obligation, or using their religious zealotry to justify their repeated and co-ordinated nationwide abuses?

I didn’t suggest the Koran was used to justify what they do, any more than I suggest the Bible encourages US folk to buy AR-15s.

You put that suggestion out there.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I didn’t suggest the Koran was used to justify what they do, any more than I suggest the Bible encourages US folk to buy AR-15s.

You put that suggestion out there.

You're fucking delusional mate, I'm out.

 

[Pickman's model]

Here's a more recent article. Grooming gangs of Muslim men failed to integrate into British society

does that say anything about pk's religious obligation claim?

 

[Pickman's model]

Fulfilling a religious obligation, or using their religious zealotry to justify their repeated and co-ordinated nationwide abuses?

I didn’t suggest the Koran was used to justify what they do, any more than I suggest the Bible encourages US folk to buy AR-15s.

You put that suggestion out there.

yeh. you brought jihadi ideology into this, but you don't know what jihadi ideology is.

 

[Pickman's model]

You're fucking delusional mate, I'm out.

he's out too, out to lunch.

 

[pk]

You're fucking delusional mate, I'm out.

Weird. Pickmans puts up a strawman and you think I’m delusional for refusing to take it on. It’s like dealing with a cult.

 

[pk]

yeh. you brought jihadi ideology into this, but you don't know what jihadi ideology is.

It’s something you refuse to accept exists.
Which is in part why thousands of kids will keep getting abused.

 

[Pickman's model]

It’s something you refuse to accept exists.
Which is in part why thousands of kids will keep getting abused.

oh i don't deny jihadi ideology exists - qutb's milestones, for example, and those sections of the koran which refer explicitly to jihad. but i don't believe in your sexual jihad, for evidence of which you've only adduced your own assertion.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

does that say anything about pk's religious obligation claim?

I didn't see him say anything about religious obligations.

 

[butchersapron]

I didn't see him say anything about religious obligations.

What do you think the sexual jihad is?

 

[Pickman's model]

I didn't see him say anything about religious obligations.

yeh. so the notion of sexual jihad conveys to you no connection to the koranic notion of jihad. there are none so blind as those that will not see.

 

[SpookyFrank]

What do you think the sexual jihad is?

Something pk made up?