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Rotherham child rape gangs: At least 1400 victims

Ole said:
The fucking state of some of you backflipping to avoid saying 'race' when the criminals aren't white. It's embarrassing to read.
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Whereas I'm not embarrassed by your inability to understand the differences between the concepts of 'race', 'ethnicity', or 'culture', disappointed yes, embarrassed no. :)

Perhaps that 'backflipping' you claim to be reading is no more than other people simply having a deeper understanding of these concepts and how they are being used erroneously as short cuts for one another in the way that this is being reported and debated.

If you don't, I fear you don't actually understand racism as all.
 
Lurdan said:
In my opinion no-one could ACTUALLY READ THE REPORT and come to the conclusion that the only reason the Police didn't act was because they were afraid of being branded as racist, unless they were so obsessed with race that it inhibited their ability to read and understand.

The Police didn't act for lot's and lots of reasons - here's just a few :
  • it was 'consensual'
  • it was 'prostitution'
  • 'they were asking for it'
  • 'there were more important crimes affecting more important people'
  • some of the victims wouldn't co-operate
  • some of the victims wouldn't accept that they were victims of crime
  • some of the victims were unlikely to present well in Court
  • some of the victims might be easy to discredit in court
  • investigations were very likely to be be time and resource consuming
  • it didn't fall into the targeted initiatives to direct scarce resources at specific sorts of crime affecting more significant people
  • it was easier to set up a joint working party to meet occasionally to discuss how difficult it all is
  • it was easier to try refer the victims to other agencies
  • it was easier to close the file
  • hmmm, where I put that file...
  • because this is South Yorkshire Police
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Thank you for that post, it was exactly what i was thinking. If people read the report they will see 'i was afraid of being labelled racist' is a minor point. LOADS of people did speak out over all these years; front-line staff at the council, social workers, youth workers and, although I hate to say this as I hate the fuckers, I'm sure even some cops spoke out. It was because nobody gave a shit about these kids. They were viewed as scum by the abusers, the cops, the service managers etc. Seen as a problem not real, actual children who were being hurt and needed protecting.

The first concern should be protecting these kids (it is still happening), the second to make sure all those managers, police chiefs etc get strung up and third, make sure it can't happen again.

Whoever wrote that sun headline blaming 'PC' for this wants shooting.
 
Das Uberdog said:
when the Delta scandal was exposed in the SWP and the party corralled around to protect him, there was clearly a problem with the SWP which needed addressing. saying as much in no way intimated that all SWPers were rapists - it also did not intimate that rape only occurs within the SWP - but clearly to deal with this problem which had particularly arrived in the party it required a party based response.

when you have a situation where grooming gangs emerge almost exclusively from Pakistani communities across towns in Northern England over the space of a decade and a half, there is clearly an issue in those communities which wants addressing.
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It was their mates that protected them...along with the police and authorities who did nothing...thats fuck all to do with the pakistani community.
When stephen lawrence was murdered in a racist attack in greenwich the white community were not to blame...the police tried to blame the white community though, accussing them of a wall of silence as a way to justify their inaction and incompetence...there is no difference here.
Some men sexually abused over a thousand children. No one in authority did anything to protect those children or to stop the attackers. That is true of the celebrity cases, the politician cases, the catholic church case and this case yet this is an issue for the pakistani community and the race of the attackers in the other cases are irrelevant...seriously can you not see how mad this is...the issue is that in all these cases that those in authority failec to do their jobs of protecting children... and until this isaddressed it will happen again and again ...
 
poptyping said:
Your talking nonce sense.
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Well I guess it's not really a laughing matter.

Thinking about it it's a good job this preference doesn't exist in a society where being blonde and blue eyed is culturally valued because it means we can use it as an indicator as to whether someone has pedophile inclinations.
 
krink said:
Thank you for that post, it was exactly what i was thinking. If people read the report they will see 'i was afraid of being labelled racist' is a minor point. LOADS of people did speak out over all these years; front-line staff at the council, social workers, youth workers and, although I hate to say this as I hate the fuckers, I'm sure even some cops spoke out. It was because nobody gave a shit about these kids. They were viewed as scum by the abusers, the cops, the service managers etc. Seen as a problem not real, actual children who were being hurt and needed protecting.

The first concern should be protecting these kids (it is still happening), the second to make sure all those managers, police chiefs etc get strung up and third, make sure it can't happen again.

Whoever wrote that sun headline blaming 'PC' for this wants shooting.
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too good for them :mad:
 
Das Uberdog said:
when the Delta scandal was exposed in the SWP and the party corralled around to protect him, there was clearly a problem with the SWP which needed addressing. saying as much in no way intimated that all SWPers were rapists - it also did not intimate that rape only occurs within the SWP - but clearly to deal with this problem which had particularly arrived in the party it required a party based response.

when you have a situation where grooming gangs emerge almost exclusively from Pakistani communities across towns in Northern England over the space of a decade and a half, there is clearly an issue in those communities which wants addressing.
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ok, so you address a problem in the swp, or in the pakistani community. where does this leave everyone else. where in society does misogynistic shit not happen?

you will start to deal with the problem when you accept that this shit is everywhere and needs to be dealt with everywhere.
 
Das Uberdog said:
when the Delta scandal was exposed in the SWP and the party corralled around to protect him, there was clearly a problem with the SWP which needed addressing. saying as much in no way intimated that all SWPers were rapists - it also did not intimate that rape only occurs within the SWP - but clearly to deal with this problem which had particularly arrived in the party it required a party based response.

when you have a situation where grooming gangs emerge almost exclusively from Pakistani communities across towns in Northern England over the space of a decade and a half, there is clearly an issue in those communities which wants addressing.
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er...

your first paragraph is bollocks because the swp showed itself incapable of providing a satisfactory party-based response - or, rather, much of the party abandoned the party because of its response.

secondly, the pakistani community is not some monolithic homogenous grouping with disciplinary procedures and whatnot, it's a conglomeration of people who are lumped together because they all come from one country. should they police themselves? should they really? it's not such a grand idea. what should happen is the sort of thing we're discussing is resolved throughout society, as per toggle's post above.
 
Citizen66 said:
But rape isn't exclusive to those communities, is it? So why do we need to understand "an issue here which is particularly related to the Pakistani community which needs to be understood and addressed" but not in wider society? Put the focus on Pakistani communities but give everyone else a clean bill of health? There-in lies your racism.
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Hang on thats not racism. The very closed nature of some of the communities allowed the abuse to be covered up for longer and in these shared amongst those in the communities. Just like Pitcairn.
 
Grandma Death said:
Hang on thats not racism. The very closed nature of some of the communities allowed the abuse to be covered up for longer and in these shared amongst those in the communities. Just like Pitcairn.
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And you know that how?

Because my neighbours don't know I'm talking shit on the internet at this very minute.

You're coming out with racist tropes.
 
Grandma Death said:
Hang on thats not racism. The very closed nature of some of the communities allowed the abuse to be covered up for longer and in these shared amongst those in the communities. Just like Pitcairn.
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it wasn't covered up by the community, rather the people abused were failed time and again by a range of institutions as this link of key dates makes clear: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28955170
 
Citizen66 said:
You missed the last bit off mister scarecrow stalker.
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...ok offending of this nature. So you'd argue misogyny is a feature of ALL rape. So someone who is drunk, has impaired judgement, misreads the signs-rapes someone...thats misogony? I mean all rape is wrong regardless of the circumstances but to suggest misogyny is a feature of ALL rapes ignores the contexts of some rapes.
 
Grandma Death said:
...ok offending of this nature. So you'd argue misogyny is a feature of ALL rape. So someone who is drunk, has impaired judgement, misreads the signs-rapes someone...thats misogony? I mean all rape is wrong regardless of the circumstances but to suggest misogyny is a feature of ALL rapes ignores the contexts of some rapes.
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quoted, before he actually thinks and deletes this rape apologism
 
Grandma Death said:
...ok offending of this nature. So you'd argue misogyny is a feature of ALL rape. So someone who is drunk, has impaired judgement, misreads the signs-rapes someone...thats misogony? I mean all rape is wrong regardless of the circumstances but to suggest misogyny is a feature of ALL rapes ignores the contexts of some rapes.
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Yes. Exerting male power to the detriment of a female stems from misogyny. And we're talking about extreme forms of it here.
 
Citizen66 said:
And you know that how?

Because my neighbours don't know I'm talking shit on the internet at this very minute.

You're coming out with racist tropes.
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I know this how because I have worked in some northern asian areas like Bradford and Huddersfield doing outreach work as a drugs worker and a support worker. I have some knowledge of ghettoised areas and those very communities. Smaller insular communities make it easier in some cases for this type of offence to occur.
 
Grandma Death said:
...ok offending of this nature. So you'd argue misogyny is a feature of ALL rape. So someone who is drunk, has impaired judgement, misreads the signs-rapes someone...thats misogony? I mean all rape is wrong regardless of the circumstances but to suggest misogyny is a feature of ALL rapes ignores the contexts of some rapes.
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"It's only because I love you so much".

Unbelievable.
 
Grandma Death said:
Smaller insular communities make it easier in some cases for this type of offence to occur.
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And in other cases they can make certain kinds of abuse more difficult - it's why groups band together. There is no kind of community structure - close or loose, open or close, extended or isolated - that cannot be exploited by criminals or manipulative abusers.
 
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