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then don't be one you fucking ignorant fucking rape justifying piece of shite

mixed signals?

ffs

cunt
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Oh do fuck off you tiresome cunt. Even the law recognises there are different levels of rape and has sentencing guidelines but I guess the judiciary are rape apologists too.

All rape is wrong-but stating a fact there are different contexts doesnt make one a rape apologist.
 
Grandma Death said:
I know this how because I have worked in some northern asian areas like Bradford and Huddersfield doing outreach work as a drugs worker and a support worker. I have some knowledge of ghettoised areas and those very communities. Smaller insular communities make it easier in some cases for this type of offence to occur.
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So your conclusion is that those communities are colluding with and covering up offences? Not that they may not have the full picture? Or that they may be bullied into silence or anything like that?
 
Grandma Death said:
I know this how because I have worked in some northern asian areas like Bradford and Huddersfield doing outreach work as a drugs worker and a support worker. I have some knowledge of ghettoised areas and those very communities. Smaller insular communities make it easier in some cases for this type of offence to occur.
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right. so the fuck ups by a range of agencies who were told year in and year out what was going on had nothing to do with the perpetrators getting away with it, it was the closed, insular pakistanis who were hiding this away. :facepalm:
 
Pickman's model said:
perhaps you could run through what you see as the different levels of rape.
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Gang rape is the worst obvs.

Stranger rape where you give her a clip and roll her around in the mud is not quite as bad.

Banging your female mate after the pub when she's too pissed to know what's going on isn't really bad at all because she agreed on an earlier occasion.
 
Citizen66 said:
Gang rape is the worst obvs.

Stranger rape where you give her a clip and roll her around in the mud is not quite as bad.

Banging your female mate after the pub when she's too pissed to know what's going on isn't really bad at all because she agreed on an earlier occasion.
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Now you're just being a twat. Ive said all rape is bad and now youre making light of it. Fucking wanker.
 
Citizen66 said:
Gang rape is the worst obvs.

Stranger rape where you give her a clip and roll her around in the mud is not quite as bad.

Banging your female mate after the pub when she's too pissed to know what's going on isn't really bad at all because she agreed on an earlier occasion.
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and obviously, not bothering to find out whether she actually wants sex or not, that's just mixed signals (bad sexual etiquette?), not actual proper rape by an actual rapist. just some poor lad who made a mistake.

only actual decent human beings, who care about their partners, who treat them with respect, who aren't misogynists, who believe in equality ehnough to put their words into practice, who have been taught right from wrong. they don't make mistakes.

mixed signals, it's not a reason, not a cause for rape, ti's a fucking justification for being a rapist.
 
Citizen66 said:
You're right, it isn't something to make fun out of really. I haven't been raped myself so I'm the least qualified to say what is or isn't bad.
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Two of my ex partners were raped. My cousin was nearly raped by a complete stranger. I have worked with dug users that have been raped. I am fully aware of the effect this has on its victims I have zero tolerance to rape-and believe nobody waivers their right to say no up to and including penetration-even when the law consider sexual contact prior to rape a mitigating circumstance

I am pissed off that anybody would dare suggest I am a rape apologist Citizen 66-I am pointing out there are different contexts to the offence and the law even states that.
 
as for sentencing guidelines and the behavior of the judiciary, i think anyone who bothers to read the news will know that there are a lot of people within the judicial system who are rape apologists. who promote rape myths from the bench. who tell rapists that they were just naughty boys, not actual proper rapists, who blame victims, who want the law changed to protect offenders.
 
Pickman's model said:
but what's YOUR OWN VIEW?
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On your bike you twat. You wanted to hear about the different levels of rape-then toddled after somebody liking their post and Ive given it to you. Even now when Ive shown you sentencing guidelines that recognises in law there are different contexts you simply cant back down. Even after I clearly said ALL rape was wrong.

Just like the figures over false allegations of rape where I was 1% out you hounded me in that thread and split hairs over it. Consider this my last reply to you you utter cunt.
 
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as for sentencing guidelines and the behavior of the judiciary, i think anyone who bothers to read the news will know that there are a lot of people within the judicial system who are rape apologists. who promote rape myths from the bench. who tell rapists that they were just naughty boys, not actual proper rapists, who blame victims, who want the law changed to protect offenders.
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Not so long back it was LEGAL to rape your wife!

The law says it's ok so it is.
 
Citizen66 said:
With the law being all fair and just and all that malarkey.
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*shakes head* nobody least of all me has said its fair. I opened my post with saying all rape is wrong-but we were discussing contexts-you remember the original point? Then when I said the law recognises different contexts you suggested I had a death wish. Ive now proven to you this is the case-and all you can wimper is something flippant about the law-after youve made light of rape. What a twat.
 
Grandma Death said:
*shakes head* nobody least of all me has said its fair. I opened my post with saying all rape is wrong-but we were discussing contexts-you remember the original point? Then when I said the law recognises different contexts you suggested I had a death wish. Ive now proven to you this is the case-and all you can wimper is something flippant about the law-after youve made light of rape. What a twat.
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I think you're mixing up disagreements you've been having with toggle with some of my posts but that's largely irrelevant given I feel she has a point.
 
Grandma Death said:
*shakes head* nobody least of all me has said its fair. I opened my post with saying all rape is wrong-but we were discussing contexts-you remember the original point? Then when I said the law recognises different contexts you suggested I had a death wish. Ive now proven to you this is the case-and all you can wimper is something flippant about the law-after youve made light of rape. What a twat.
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I thought you brought up context to explain how some rape doesn't involve misogyny. I don't quite understand how that works. Is it like the argument that it's not really racism unless the guy setting light to your house is wearing a prominent and clearly visible swastika ?
 
the main point i'm trying to make is that 'mixed signals' ins't a reason why someone accidently rapes.

it is a justification used by rapists to deny that they are actual rapists after they have been caught out raping.
 
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