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Rotherham child rape gangs: At least 1400 victims

Ok, I'm really not interested in sentencing guidelines. That's not my guide as to the wrongness of a thing. And you're right that it feels wrong and impossible to grade things like that. But I also think you're at crossed purposes with grandma death, because he wasn't suggesting it was somehow an either/or: 'well at least I didn't...' as if that mitigated what someone did do.

I would think that sentencing guidelines also reflect other things, such as the danger of a person to the rest of us. A man who drags someone off under threat of violence and rapes them needs to be sent to prison for a very long time as he is dangerous. A man who rapes a woman when drunk and is sincerely sorry afterwards may not represent the same level of danger.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Ok, I'm really not interested in sentencing guidelines. That's not my guide as to the wrongness of a thing. And you're right that it feels wrong and impossible to grade things like that. But I also think you're at crossed purposes with grandma death, because he wasn't suggesting it was somehow an either/or: 'well at least I didn't...' as if that mitigated what someone did do.
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Yes, it was a rather unpleasant side-show which distracted us from the earlier things he was saying (that I was also disputing).
 
toggle said:
ok, so you address a problem in the swp, or in the pakistani community. where does this leave everyone else. where in society does misogynistic shit not happen?

you will start to deal with the problem when you accept that this shit is everywhere and needs to be dealt with everywhere.
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Oh dear....Looks like there might be a flaw in your world-view. You bandy around this term 'misogyny' as if repeating it might accord it some special meaning. The truth is that the causes of this scandal are complex, but one thing is certain: if people had not been bullied and cowed by idiots like you and were able to speak openly about certain subjects, those girls would not have been victimised. The Left - people on this 'discussion' board - have had a hand in this. Most especially hysterical nitwits like yourself.

butchersapron said:
It is key here to disengage race from culture and refuse those who merge the two. There's a fair few knocking about reading this thread, dropping a few hints now and then.
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If you think race can be disengaged from culture, then you are an ignorant fool.
 
Earendel said:
Oh dear....Looks like there might be a flaw in your world-view.


If you think race can be disengaged from culture, then you are an ignorant fool.
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Took a few pints tonight to come out with eh?

And i just add more shit to a thread that's, disappointingly, gone down the shitter already.
 
Earendel said:
If you think race can be disengaged from culture, then you are an ignorant fool.
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It needs to be, imo, if we are definitively to overcome racism. When a person's physical characteristics indicating ancestry are no longer associated with particular cultural assumptions by people who know nothing else about them, we will finally live in a world where people can avoid being judged for physical characteristics indicating ancestry.
 
butchersapron said:
Took a few pints tonight to come out with eh?

And i just add more shit to a thread that's, disappointingly, gone down the shitter already.
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You cannot disengage race from culture. To hold that position is utterly counter-factual and idiotic. I think you know this. You have a rather sinister agenda. You spend a great deal of your time on here, which is rather sad in itself, but prompts me to ponder whether you are being paid - and if so, by whom?

Who are you serving?
 
littlebabyjesus said:
It needs to be, imo, if we are definitively to overcome racism. When a person's physical characteristics indicating ancestry are no longer associated with particular cultural assumptions by people who know nothing else about them, we will finally live in a world where people can avoid being judged for physical characteristics indicating ancestry.
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Why bother, racist twat who'll be banned shortly.
 
Rutita1 said:
Whereas I'm not embarrassed by your inability to understand the differences between the concepts of 'race', 'ethnicity', or 'culture', disappointed yes, embarrassed no. :)

Perhaps that 'backflipping' you claim to be reading is no more than other people simply having a deeper understanding of these concepts and how they are being used erroneously as short cuts for one another in the way that this is being reported and debated.

If you don't, I fear you don't actually understand racism as all.
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You complete joker.

Firstly, those who I was referring to as 'backflipping' around race weren't even talking about, let alone demonstrating any understanding of, the concepts of race, culture or ethnicity, except to say that none of them had anything to do with this case in Rotherham. I think I can figure out the difference between the concepts, oh wise one, but race and ethnicity tend to get conflated in informal language like it has frequently been in this thread, and since there was no harm in the conflation in that context I went along with it.

I've already made it clear how race/ethnicity is necessarily a part of the discussion here where it may not be elsewhere for e.g. Savile, because of the problems that appear to have arisen around it in the investigation, at a minimum.

Sick of repeating myself tbh, last time I do it.
 
Earendel said:
Oh dear....Looks like there might be a flaw in your world-view. You bandy around this term 'misogyny' as if repeating it might accord it some special meaning. The truth is that the causes of this scandal are complex, but one thing is certain: if people had not been bullied and cowed by idiots like you and were able to speak openly about certain subjects, those girls would not have been victimised. The Left - people on this 'discussion' board - have had a hand in this. Most especially hysterical nitwits like yourself.

If you think race can be disengaged from culture, then you are an ignorant fool.
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So are you saying that this would not have happened if not for feminism?

If so, could you please provide some facts and logic to back that up ... ?
 
littlebabyjesus said:
It needs to be, imo, if we are definitively to overcome racism. When a person's physical characteristics indicating ancestry are no longer associated with particular cultural assumptions by people who know nothing else about them, we will finally live in a world where people can avoid being judged for physical characteristics indicating ancestry.
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That sounds very neat and rather like something I'd read in a sociology textbook written by a 60s washed-up liberal turned thatcherite. However, my concern is with reality.
 
Earendel said:
You cannot disengage race from culture. To hold that position is utterly counter-factual and idiotic. <snip>....
Who are you serving?
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Some might say that to believe in the concept of different 'races' is utterly counter-factual and idiotic.

Who are you serving?
 
That sounds very neat and rather like something I'd read in a sociology textbook written by a 60s washed-up liberal turned thatcherite. However, my concern is with reality.
 
Earendel said:
You cannot disengage race from culture. To hold that position is utterly counter-factual and idiotic. I think you know this. You have a rather sinister agenda. You spend a great deal of your time on here, which is rather sad in itself, but prompts me to ponder whether you are being paid - and if so, by whom?

Who are you serving?
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The Zionist Lizards.
 
Earendel said:
That sounds very neat and rather like something I'd read in a sociology textbook written by a 60s washed-up liberal turned thatcherite. However, my concern is with reality.
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he'll be saying martin smith while fingering his rosary in a mo
poptyping said:
I'm also pretty appalled that people are attempting to grade 'different types of rape' fuck sake.
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the law does it, the law distinguishes between violent rapes and rapes. But the law is their law, and so...
 
Earendel said:
That sounds very neat and rather like something I'd read in a sociology textbook written by a 60s washed-up liberal turned thatcherite. However, my concern is with reality.
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It's something I see progress in. Real progress that gives me hope that 50 years from now, say, racism will be fading from view in places like the UK. That may sound overly optimistic, but it is something I think there is evidence for - comparing today with the 1960s, for instance, and seeing the changes in reality.

There will still be all kinds of other problems, no doubt, concerning inequality, class and discrimination, but they won't be framed nearly as much on race as they are now. I really do believe that.
 
Ole said:
You complete joker.
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Nope, not joking. :)



]I've already made it clear how race/ethnicity is necessarily a part of the discussion here where it may not be elsewhere for e.g. Savile, because of the problems that appear to have arisen around it in the investigation, at a minimum.
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It isn't necessary for you because like the mainstream/smokescreen debate the concept of race only seems to apply when we are talking about people who are not White.
 
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