butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Never had you on ignore. You post utter drivel. I ignore it mostly. Like most people.
RIP Fidel Castro August 13, 1926 – November 25, 2016
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hipipol
Peckham Wry
Please stop drawing attention to my drivel then
It can only add to my false feeling of importance
butchersapron
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hipipol
Peckham Wry
SO....
Its a "last word" contest then???
I respect and love Fidel for being an honest non greed driven leader of his people who never fell for the "sugared cannonballs of Capitalism"
We need many like him, Samora Machel and Julius Nyerere are excellent examples
Please tell me how wrong I am, I know you have the skills
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Fuck's sake.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
No, actually.
Homosexuality was illegal in Cuba pre-revolution, as it was in most countries at the time. Castro didn't actively persecute homosexuals, but he just wasn't interested in it as an issue until later on. Not changing the law is different to actively adopting homophobic policies.
Castro was not a monster, but nor was he a saint. He did plenty of bad things, but also a lot of good things. I think we should appraise him based on his legacy rather than trying to vilify or canonize him - would the world be better or worse if the Cuban revolution did not happen? This is the angle we should look at it from, politics and revolution is a dirty and bloody affair and even the best of us would be surprised at what we are capable of when faced with the pressure and responsibility of it. Castro is now a historical figure and we should treat him as such, the sort of idealism which holds everything up to a high moral standard is suited for advocating change in the present, but not for appraisal of historical figures. I don't deny that there are quite a lot of unsavoury things associated with him but I don't think that's enough to condemn him wholly as a negative force or a villain.
bubblesmcgrath
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YouSir
Retired from Urban
Photoshopped.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This is not true. What do you think the 65-68 UMAP camps were about? The raids that filled the huts? His apology?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Pickcells!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You can't hold historical figures up to critical scrutiny.
That's how they get away with it purdie.
That's how they get away with it purdie.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You can be a great man without being a nice one
I'm not defending the UMAP camps but that can't be said to be Castro specifically targeting homosexuals. Homosexuals were not allowed to serve in the military so they were sent there instead, along with a whole range of people. I'm not defending the policy, but that homosexuals were sent there represents a continuity rather than a homophobia introduced by Castro.
Were the raids personally directed by Castro? I would think not, Castro is not personally responsible for everything that happens in Cuba. That he blames pre-revolutionary machismo culture, as well as accepting his own responsibility, seems a reasonable portioning of blame to me.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh come on. The raids were aimed at gay people. The idea that it existed before rather than fighting against so we better do it again but at a higher level? I'l treat that with the contempt that is deserves. Fuck off wiki timewaster.
Actually the point I was trying to get at is that you can't look at the bad things they did and write them off completely as a bad thing. According to this logic, everything that ever happened in history should be condemned as negative and then you get trapped in a position of being against every political movement that succeeded and celebrating heroic failures that never had the power to have too much dirt attributed to them. (but probably, on closer inspection, you will find the dirt).
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Don't view history like this then. No one I know does. Don't hide or whitewash the bad things. Connect the two if you can. Can you?
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
I've been perfectly civil to you, no need to tell me to fuck off. If I'm a "wiki timewaster" you can always just not deign to reply if your time is so precious.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You've wasted your time not mine. And pleasantly covering up horrible stuff - in a civil tone. Get fucked.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here, but it certainly isn't my idea.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
I think the idea is you're not supposed to like Obama and Corbyn because they're too liberal, and you're not supposed to like Castro because he wasn't liberal enough.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Maybe you should rephrase what you said then, because I don't follow.
"The idea that it existed before rather than fighting against so we better do it again but at a higher level?"
It doesn't even make sense grammatically, or maybe I'm just tired, it's 3:50am here. Anyway I'm going to bed. I'll reply to you when I get the chance.
"The idea that it existed before rather than fighting against so we better do it again but at a higher level?"
It doesn't even make sense grammatically, or maybe I'm just tired, it's 3:50am here. Anyway I'm going to bed. I'll reply to you when I get the chance.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The idea that it existed before the revolution and so had to extend into the policy of the post revolutionary state. That's what castro offered and what you gave us. This needs to be treated with contempt.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
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