Rape allegations against Jimmy Tarbuck

[Pickman's model]

No.

If these had been racist or sexist jokes would you be telling me to lighten up? No you wouldn't because those jokes wouldn't even be told. So why is it OK to trivialise/humourise sexual abuse of children?

Sometimes the only defence we have against unspeakable mental and/or physical cruelty is humour.

 

[1%er]

The hypocrisy here in the politics forum is just fucking fantastic

Tell jokes about child abuse and its just a bit of fun, tell a joke about someone dieing in a chimney and your a heartless bastard

I love this place, endless entertainment.

 

[ViolentPanda]

And yet you're telling me I'm not allowed an opinion on this subject

Your opinion has been about your perceptions of what the "humour" of certain posters has been, and whether it's acceptable - you're allowed to hold it, others are allowed to disagree.
You also voiced an opinion that survivors of abuse wouldn't or shouldn't use such humour. I disagreed.

You need to examine why you have a victim complex, old son.

 

[ViolentPanda]

thread ruined by shit jokes. well done, wankers.

Fuck off, you flatcap-wearing no-mark!

 

[Buckaroo]

Not about children being sexually abused by adults. At least not on a forum like this with a high volume of posters.

What does the volume of posters have to do with anything? Who are you to decide what's appropriate or humerous? If you're offended then just fuck off somewhere else and stop the nagging. And taking the piss out of the current wave of abuse allegations in celebrity culture isn't trivialising individual torment, sometimes it's the only thing that's left so quit the moralising crap. Your concerns are worth fuck all to the victims of abuse.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The hypocrisy here in the politics forum is just fucking fantastic

Tell jokes about child abuse and its just a bit of fun, tell a joke about someone dieing in a chimney and your a heartless bastard

I love this place, endless entertainment.

It makes the world go round even better than money does, does hypocrisy!

 

[Pickman's model]

Fuck off, you flatcap-wearing no-mark!

Oi oi there's nothing wrong with wearing flat caps unless you're a hipster cunt, of course

 

[cdg]

you're allowed to hold it, others are allowed to disagree.

So why have I been shot down, called names and been told I deserve to be on the receiving end of violence, all by you, for airing them?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Oi oi there's nothing wrong with wearing flat caps unless you're a hipster cunt, of course

DK looked distinctly like a hipster to me, in his ugly mug pic where he's wearing a flattie.

 

[laptop]

thread ruined by shit jokes. well done, wankers.

So now we're far enough away from the subject of child abuse that it's OK to joke about Big Bird, or the Pentonville Panto 2015?

 

[Pickman's model]

What does the volume of posters have to do with anything? Who are you to decide what's appropriate or humerous? If you're offended then just fuck off somewhere else and stop the nagging. And taking the piss out of the current wave of abuse allegations in celebrity culture isn't trivialising individual torment, sometimes it's the only thing that's left so quit the moralising crap. Your concerns are worth fuck all to the victims of abuse.

A laugh and a joke and suddenly the world doesn't seem to bad

Till cdg comes along and tells everyone off

 

[ViolentPanda]

So why have I been shot down, called names and been told I deserve to be on the receiving end of violence, all by you, for airing them?

Because we hold contrary opinions.

 

[1%er]

It makes the world go round even better than money does, does hypocrisy!

I love it and it cheaper than laughing gas

 

[cdg]

Because we hold contrary opinions.

Well that speaks volumes about the kind of person you are.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well that speaks volumes about the kind of person you are.

I'd like to see you summarise these volumes in a couple of sentences

 

[ymu]

Because we hold contrary opinions.

So why does his provoke such OTT defensive reaction from so many?

 

[ViolentPanda]

So why does his provoke such OTT defensive reaction from so many?

The tone, IMO.

Plus, it wasn't defensive reactions it provoked, it was offensive reaction! Some glib sod telling people what they can and can't do in terms of dealing with a thread? That always goes down well!!

 

[Pickman's model]

I think the difference is in the absence of a class of victims systematically targeted by a minority of NASA incompetents. Black humour is helpful in facing tragedy but when at least one in seven of the population experiences sexual abuse as a child and at least five out of ten experience it as an adult, it's probably best for the 'jokers' to have a little think about whether they're having a bit of fun or actually just repeatedly battering more vulnerable others over the head with the shitty end of the very shitty stick.

100% of us experience death at some point in our lives yet death is a famous topick for humour.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well that speaks volumes about the kind of person you are.

It does, doesn't it?

You know what, though? I reckon the volumes it speaks to some people will be different to the volumes it speaks to you.

 

[Pickman's model]

The tone, IMO.

Plus, it wasn't defensive reactions it provoked, it was offensive reaction! Some glib sod telling people what they can and can't do in terms of dealing with a thread? That always goes down well!!

and frequently comes back up again too

 

[cdg]

Some glib sod telling people what they can and can't do in terms of dealing with a thread? That always goes down well!!

I made it clear I found your comments offensive. And pickman and you flew off the handle.

 

[Pickman's model]

I made it clear I found your comments offensive. And pickman and you flew off the handle.

You've yet to see me fly off the handle

& as for offensive comments, i've been rather restrained thus far

 

[Lord Camomile]

The hypocrisy here in the politics forum is just fucking fantastic

Tell jokes about child abuse and its just a bit of fun, tell a joke about someone dieing in a chimney and your a heartless bastard

I love this place, endless entertainment.

One is a joke about the perpetrator, one is a joke about the victim. It's not all that's going on, but it's an important distinction.

 

[cdg]

You've yet to see me fly off the handle

& as for offensive comments, i've been rather restrained thus far

Should I be worried?

 

[ViolentPanda]

You've yet to see me fly off the handle

& as for offensive comments, i've been rather restrained thus far

^^^^This.

 

[cdg]

^^^^This.

Should I be worried?

 

[1%er]

One is a joke about the perpetrator, one is a joke about the victim. It's not all that's going on, but it's an important distinction.

What if the 2nd one wasn't about the victim but the circumstances?

 

[Pickman's model]

Should I be worried?

Yes, because you lost the argument the moment you called me a cunt.

 

[cdg]

Yes, because you lost the argument the moment you called me a cunt.

A bit of a cunt.

 

[cdg]

And who called who a cunt first?