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Rape allegations against Jimmy Tarbuck

I always fall in love with men like you. I just asked one to marry me. :)

But,if you will forgive the presumption, seeing as you said it anyway, you lovely-type men always interpret things in the worst possible way for your self-esteem. And no, you won't take fucking praise. You don't even hear it half the time. :mad:

I won't go into details about what I did to try and seduce himself but he was oblivious until he finally just blurted out something awkward and much passion ensued.

Relax. The worst probably isn't true. ;)

Congratulations :)

Cheers for the kind words. Sadly my self-esteem issues probably caused me to fall out of the lovely man category many years ago, been trying to get back ever since but its been a hard slog with not so much progress. Now I have a health issue which must be confronted before I can even get back to reality, and having finally taken the first few steps it seems I have to swallow barium in a weeks time, ugh :(
 
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'Medieval' is the perfect word for it. Not sure why you posted here either, though. :confused:

Some of the comments are proper mental.

I prefer not to read comments on such sites.

(As to where to post it: I thought it was reasonably appropriate to some of the discussion on this thread, and thought this thread was less... car crash than some others).
 
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I can't even read that sort of shite. But yes, it does belong on the wall of shame.

Laurie Penny is a pain in the arse most of the time, but she done well here:

This is not the "persecution of old men". This is the prosecution of rapists, and we should applaud it

... Some people are asking, with an air of annoyance, as if they were tired of all the fuss: how many more revelations will there be?

The question is chillingly rhetorical. We know, really, that the answer is many, many more. This isn’t just about ten, or forty or a hundred dodgy individuals. We have moved beyond the point where we can decently speak about outliers when it comes to systemic tolerance of sexual violence. It’s not just about Jimmy Savile, or Stuart Hall, or the BBC, or the Socialist Workers’ Party, or two American high-schoolers crying in court, or three young women chained in a basement in Ohio, or one dead girl in a hospital in Delhi. Over the past year, an enormous, global cultural shift has begun to take place around issues of consent, rape and violence against women, and it’s a cultural shift for which our institutions are clearly vastly underprepared.

Some members of those institutions have responded with panicked self-justification. We didn’t know, we thought it was allowed, we weren’t there, we didn’t see, they’re all lying sluts anyway and they should stop whinging and playing the victim. Take lawyer Barbara Hewson, who claimed in Spiked that the real problem is that child protection agencies are trying to profit from changing definitions of victimhood, and the real victims are the “old men” who are being unfairly scapegoated for a bit of jolly dressing-room lechery. I do not “support the persecution of old men”, as Hewson manipulatively puts it, but I absolutely support the prosecution of rapists, and you should, too.

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Hewson is far from only one to plead for tolerance on behalf of the intolerable. Men like Stuart Hall and Jimmy Savile lived in a different time, their detractors claim, a time when shoving your fists with impunity up the skirt of any passing schoolgirl was just the present you got for being born with a set of testicles. Said detractors often speak of this time with the same kitschy nostalgia usually reserved for the Village Green, toasted teacakes and casual racism: life was just easier back then, for some of us at least. Elderly rapists and abusers didn’t know what they were doing at the time, so how can they be blamed?

This defence, which is rather insulting to the significant and growing number of males who absolutely do respect women enough not to shove their hands and penises inside them without asking, is also wheeled out on behalf of the many men, young and old, who are suddenly being exposed as rapists and abusers despite never having heard of Jimmy Savile. "They didn’t know they were doing anything wrong."

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The fact that these men felt they were doing nothing wrong is precisely the problem. The fact that for generations, men of all ages have felt able to use and abuse the bodies of women and children for their own entertainment is the problem, and the fact that our culture legitimises this approach is a bigger problem.

For centuries, men in positions of power were untouchable, while women and children were anything but. One simply could not call a man like Jimmy Savile or Stuart Hall to account for his actions and expect to be taken seriously. One could not accuse a popular football player of rape and expect justice. These things went on, but they went on in silence, with the complicity and of quiet armies of flunkies and facilitators.

The reason that these "old men" are being prosecuted – sorry, "persecuted" – right now is simple. They are being prosecuted because their victims are finally coming forward, and their victims are finally coming forward because society has reached a tipping point when it comes to rape culture.
 
I haven't singled out any particular piece of black humour on this thread, and said explicitly that it can be an appropriate response to tragedy.

That doesn't mean it can be used a cover for 'joking' with impunity. People who have been victims of abuse disagree on the boundaries, for a myriad of reasons. People who have not and who rarely have to think about the possibility that it might happen to them would do well to shut the fuck up and listen, rather than hysterically justifying their position before they've even considered whether what they find hilarious might make them look like a bit of a rapist enabling cunt to others.
No explanation. No apology. No surprise.
 
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