newme
Giant in Pastyland now
It was bad enough on Facebook let alone the shitter.
Footballer Mason Greenwood has rape charges dropped
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Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Unfortunately yes. Though there's always non-league FC United of Manchester.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Other teams are available
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Aye, but when you're talking premier league, championship and to a lesser extent leagues 1 and 2, the "made for TV" culture of modern football is the main problem here, not one single club like United. The bigger "clubs" are no longer clubs but are corporate entities for the benefit of owners and shareholders.
Eta: it could be said that it's always been like that, but I remember Old Trafford when it was different. Sure it was always a capitalist enterprise but there was still a club element to it, where fans weren't just seen as mugs by the likes of Glazers.
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Antony must be 713 times better than Dennis.Rot set in with Dennis Law £115,000
Greaves had it right nobody is worth more than £100,000.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Back in the day, Man U were known for their cheap tickets. If you look back 40 years, ticket prices for first division clubs weren't very different from those for fourth division clubs. You weren't expected to be rich to want to regularly attend football, and if your local team was top-level, that was kind of just the luck of the draw.
Modern football sucks badly. Pretty much no exceptions.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
When I started going to Old Trafford, it cost 40p to get into the Stretford end or Scoreboard end. I remember moaning when it went up to 50pBack in the day, Man U were known for their cheap tickets. If you look back 40 years, ticket prices for first division clubs weren't very different from those for fourth division clubs. You weren't expected to be rich to want to regularly attend football, and if your local team was top-level, that was kind of just the luck of the draw.
Modern football sucks badly. Pretty much no exceptions.
Fuck knows what it is now.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I paid £20 at Rochdale on Saturday.When I started going to Old Trafford, it cost 40p to get into the Stretford end or Scoreboard end. I remember moaning when it went up to 50p
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
£13 at Broadhurst Park.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Modern football sucks badly. Pretty much no exceptions.
Modern football replicates, reproduces and therefore reinforces our economic and social reality. Obscene wealth for the 1% of top clubs, those at the bottom fucked and those in the middle struggling and collapsing towards the bottom as the elite extract more from the game.
The elite clubs aren’t even teams now. They are facsimiles that look like one but are in fact sportswashing projects or simply vessels of accumulation. Devoid of decency, utterly detached from the communities they were once part of and increasingly ‘supported’ by an amorphous global ‘fans’ base watching from afar. Their histories commodified, repackaged and sold back to the ‘fans’ with the soul, solidarities and ordinary people who created that history emptied out.
Bar those who’ve done the only logical thing in response - either fuck the game off entirely or get involved in a supporter owned club - the role of supporter now is to sit down, consume and pay up. Even ‘fan protest’ is commodified and conducted safely within the dominant culture of football - ‘no to the super league, save our expanded champions league’. Yeah, it does ‘suck badly’…..
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Old football wasn't much cleaner, both arsenal and grimsby town, for examples, have dubious episodes in their pasts. Sure United, Liverpool and so on have closets full of old skeletons too.Back in the day, Man U were known for their cheap tickets. If you look back 40 years, ticket prices for first division clubs weren't very different from those for fourth division clubs. You weren't expected to be rich to want to regularly attend football, and if your local team was top-level, that was kind of just the luck of the draw.
Modern football sucks badly. Pretty much no exceptions.
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
Grimsby?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes, there's an episode in their early years where a bribe of fish was paid. i don't have my history of the club to hand but will dig it out later
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not to mention this claim
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Forum | May 14th 1983 Grimsby Away - Who was there? by Walnut
Well, its May14 & its raining which, despite this being 38 years ago (oh gawd!) brings back vivid memories of going up to Grimsby on the last day of the season having already been crowned
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
This would be the right thing to do as part of the clubs reflection on how they mismanaged the whole situation
www.telegraph.co.uk
Manchester United urged to donate any Mason Greenwood transfer fee to survivors of domestic abuse
Exclusive: Club under pressure to give proceeds from any sale to charities as teams in Europe and the Middle East show interest
www.telegraph.co.uk
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Unlikely under the current ownership. We'll see.This would be the right thing to do as part of the clubs reflection on how they mismanaged the whole situation
Manchester United urged to donate any Mason Greenwood transfer fee to survivors of domestic abuse
Exclusive: Club under pressure to give proceeds from any sale to charities as teams in Europe and the Middle East show interest
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Its there to fight for supporters to fight for
You're not wrong. My season ticket was £35 per match when I got rid of it around when the Glazers came in, which while not cheap was still cheaper than most southern/London clubs. I remember paying £45 for Birmingham away in the early 00s.Back in the day, Man U were known for their cheap tickets. If you look back 40 years, ticket prices for first division clubs weren't very different from those for fourth division clubs. You weren't expected to be rich to want to regularly attend football, and if your local team was top-level, that was kind of just the luck of the draw.
Modern football sucks badly. Pretty much no exceptions.
You only have to look at the ownership of all the top clubs, let alone a load of middling ones, to see the problem.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
This would be the right thing to do as part of the clubs reflection on how they mismanaged the whole situation
Manchester United urged to donate any Mason Greenwood transfer fee to survivors of domestic abuse
Exclusive: Club under pressure to give proceeds from any sale to charities as teams in Europe and the Middle East show interest
If it was my club I'd say they've done nothing wrong and are entitled to keep any transfer fee.
But it's United, so I think that they've severely mismanaged the situation, are almost as culpable as Greenwood himself, and should pay every transfer fee they receive for the next 2 years to charity.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm over in Rochdale for the next couple of months and will be watching FC tonight. Fancied going to support Bury, particularly as they are now back at Gigg Lane, though unfortunately their home matches overlap with most of the FC home games. Did see them a couple of times last year when they were ground sharing at Radcliffe. Suspect they'll get a couple of promotions over the next year or two, with the crowds behind them and a bit of money. They got a million quid from some Tory election bribe fund, iirc, though I think they'll need decent crowds to pay for the upkeep of the stadium.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm a residual United fan, no way I could support them or go anywhere near OT since the Glazers (and gee, who'd have thought they could soon have worse owners?). Even pre-Glazers, it was hard to like your own club and they have always stood out as a 'brand', building passive consumers at home and abroad. The oft quoted idea (perhaps apocryphal) of people going to OT, buying stuff in the shop on matchday and then heading home without even seeing the game. Then there was Louis Edwards, with a creative accountancy that would make Man City blush, along with cheating people out of their United shares. But somehow all that feels cleaner than where elite football is at nowadays.
Superimposed on all that you've got the sense of community that goes back to family loyalties, location, even the battle lines with City fans at school. And as always, corporate football leaches off that. As to the green and gold scarves lot, yeah, I know what you mean. However uneasy they will be, I don't get a sense they will be that fussed about becoming an outcrop of the Qatari state. As always though, the ground on which you can 'properly' oppose this shit has shrunk.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Heard they got 5,000+ in their opening fixture so if they keep half of that should be fine.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Wasn’t aware you followed soccer ball tbh .
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