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Raith Rovers and the rapist

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Interested to see if this story has got any traction elsewhere as it's huge in Scotland.


David Goodwillie and a teammate from his then team Dundee United raped a woman in 2011. Raith Rovers have just signed him and all hell is rightly breaking loose. The captain of their women's team, the women's coach, their supporter liaison officer, employability officer and match day announcer have all quit in protest. Two of their sponsors have withdrawn their support and fans are publicly tearing up their season tickets. All this has happened today, and yet Raith have just released this incredibly tone deaf statement that basically says 'yeah, we know he's a rapist, right, but he's a really good player'.


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So is rapists getting to just carry on their previous normal life after ruining someone else's. 🤷

Ched Evans did, he had to pay a lot of money to a lot of lawyers in order to do so.

This is clearly shite, however, "The captain of their women's team, the women's coach, their supporter liaison officer, employability officer and match day announcer have all quit in protest. Two of their sponsors have withdrawn their support and fans are publicly tearing up their season tickets" - shouldn't need to happen of course, but good that it has. And the current shit going down in Manchester, his club have instantly fucked him off and EA Sports have within 48 hours removed him from their FIFA games. Of course there's millions of miles still to go, but a tide does seem to be turning...
 
there was a similar thing at Rayo over the weekend - albeit in that case it was only someone who suggested rape as a team-building exercise who they put in charge of the women's team:

 
there was a similar thing at Rayo over the weekend - albeit in that case it was only someone who suggested rape as a team-building exercise who they put in charge of the women's team:

I saw that too. Football has got a fucking long way to go. Rayo fans disgusted by it too (they're a very left wing fan base largely)
 
there was a similar thing at Rayo over the weekend - albeit in that case it was only someone who suggested rape as a team-building exercise who they put in charge of the women's team:

Rape as a team building exercise??? Jesus fucking Christ.
 
I am very proud of Val McDermid and of all the people who resigned, as well as the other sponsor for pulling out, not to mention all the fans ripping up their season tickets. Awesome, and even a few years back this would not have happened.

This case was unusual for being a civil prosecution rather than a criminal one, but he was found to be a rapist nonetheless.
 
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I honestly don't understand the Raith Rovers hiring decision process here at all. Even if someone's an utterly unique and irreplaceable player at a fantastic price, this sort of conviction/ legal bother should rule them out of the job. Is David Goodwillie really such a phenomenon it's worth the (inevitable and justified) backlash from fans and supporters? (Not that anyone could be, of course - but him in particular ... so many lads would die to play for this or any team. Is there really no-one of any talent without a sex assault case pending in the whole footballing country?) Why court the grief?
 
I honestly don't understand the Raith Rovers hiring decision process here at all. Even if someone's an utterly unique and irreplaceable player at a fantastic price, this sort of conviction/ legal bother should rule them out of the job. Is David Goodwillie really such a phenomenon it's worth the (inevitable and justified) backlash from fans and supporters? (Not that anyone could be, of course - but him in particular ... so many lads would die to play for this or any team. Is there really no-one of any talent without a sex assault case pending in the whole footballing country?) Why court the grief?
But he's a proven goal scorer and we kent him when he was just a wee laddie before all that bother so it's fine
 
It's difficult to comprehend this signing. Surely someone must have thought that signing someone with rape conviction would cause a shitstorm.

Even if the person responsible was venal enough not to care there's no way the signing of Goodwillie could ever be worth the shite being piled up at Starks Park. They're never in a million years going to win anything major, the best they can hope for is barely surviving in the SPL and with Goodwillie signing, they've lost such a lot of money it's going to cost them any sort of gains.

Morally it's a bankrupt decision. I've a criminal past and I'm perfectly aware that it's cost me opportunities and that's on me. Crimes like rape or similar though, even when the perpetrator shows contrition, should bar them from certain professions. I would welcome the other Raith players refusing to play in the same team, that would send a strong message of solidarity with survivors of rape and sexual assault.
 
When Evans was still playing for Sheffield United while on bail for rape there were chants of 'he shags who he wants' to be heard at bramall lane so supporters ripping up their season tickets is definitely progress and good to see.

I agree with tonysingh though, his new team mates need to refuse to play or train with him. Shouldn't be left to the women's team to make a stand on their own.
 
When Evans was still playing for Sheffield United while on bail for rape there were chants of 'he shags who he wants' to be heard at bramall lane so supporters ripping up their season tickets is definitely progress and good to see.
Christ, that's grim.
I agree with tonysingh though, his new team mates need to refuse to play or train with him. Shouldn't be left to the women's team to make a stand on their own.
Absolutely this.
 
If there's a home game on Saturday, the rows of empty seats might force them to change their minds.
 
I don't think an immediate U-turn is likely, according to this statement released at 1700 this evening. Doubling down, describing it as a "footballing decision", and basically a Patel-esque "I am sorry that you feel that way" response. It's a genuinely awful statement.

Context: Raith are run by a board of six. Two of that board resigned today after a discussion on whether to sign the player or not was carried by 4-2 at a board meeting.

Today Raith are trending on twitter as "Rape Rovers", two high profile and wealthy shirt sponsors have cut ties with the club, the Womens' Team captain has left with immediate effect, they have haemorrhaged volunteers at all levels including the chair of the Raith Rovers Community Foundation and the Supporters' Liaison Officer. Many more volunteers of lesser standing (but no less vital to the running of the club) have chucked it- including the matchday announcer. Lifelong supporters have vowed never to return until this individual has gone- and he has signed a 2.5 year contract. Senior politicians including Nicola Sturgeon have commented adversely on what the transfer says about how seriously gender violence is viewed in Scotland, and how much further there is for the country to travel on this.

Unfortunately, people looking for ethics, principles and unimpeachable morality are looking in the wrong place if they are looking for it in professional football, There are absolutely none. Raith Rovers want to be promoted to the Premier League and have made the callous calculation that signing someone adjudged by a civil court to be a rapist outweighs the risks of (presumably they expected much less) public outrage.

David Goodwillie is a rapist. He was ordered by a civil court to pay £100,000 to his victim, and appears to have tried to weasal out of that by declaring bankruptcy. For the last five seasons he has been playing part time for Clyde, and most thought that he would end his days at that level, with the stench of disgrace surrounding him; allowed to play the sport that could have made him enough money for several lifetimes, but never ever allowed to feature at that level where that money's paid, again. In every game I have seen him play in as a fan of an opposing team, he got dog's abuse. He is one of the rare individuals that has few if any redeeming features.

In recent times, apparently, he has been chuntering about moving on, and that, earning a measily 1k. per week for training twice a week and playing at the weekend, he "cannae afford a decent motor". His deal at Raith will likely see him earn maybe 50% more than that. Raith also paid a transfer fee of £50,000. Bluntly, there is no cheap way of undoing this awful decision now the ink is dry on the contract.

A minority argue that cases like Goodwillie should be allowed to rehabilitate and re-build their lives. However, access to rehabilitation depends on sincere remorse being shown for the crime committed, repentance, and perhaps some mentoring in the community for young men based on what he had learnt on the journey away from committing this type of crime. He still insists no rape took place, despite the civil court judgement. Without repentance and remorse, no rehabilitation. He shows no awareness whatever of the seriousness of the crime committed or the damage done to the victim's life, let alone taking any responsibility for what he and another did.

This decision has sadly shown that a lot of football's recently acquired "wokeness" is little more than performative branding. I love football and it is a big part of my life; I go to a game every Saturday and reading and thinking about it is a big part of my leisure time. Football at the level I watch is normally run by very good people who can't do enough to grow and build what is a focused community organisation. But I can understand fully why many people who are not interested in football or who indeed actively dislike the sport will see in this a further example of it's short-termist degeneracy and socially myopic character.

Raith Rovers will pay a very heavy price for this and deservedly so. I feel very sorry for many loyal supporters who have been put in an impossible position by the club's stewards whose dark ages attitudes towards the seriousness of this crime will mean they are absent from something that's a passion for a long time- if indeed they ever return. Strangely they drew 3-3 tonight with Queen of the South, a team whose pink away short supports the White Ribbon campaign, an organisation focusing on raising awarness of and combatting violence against women.



Normally such a game would be attended by about 1.400 but the attendance is not yet published.

For all the bleakness of this announcement today, there are still really good people in football. Fans from clubs across Scotland have raised nearly £7,000 in 12 hours for Scottish Rape Crisis, as ameans of expressing disgust at this and soldarity with women who have been subject to rape & abuse by the likes of Goodwillie.



This will run & run. The only way for a quick fix is for 1. the Raith board to resign 2. the manager who pushed through this signing, to follow 3. the club to be taken over by a community group whose first job will be to dispense with Goodwillie's services. A battle will now likely take place for control of the club.

I'm not a Raith fan but it has been a thoroughly depressing day for someone who loves the Scottish game. Of course football is a trivial matter really, set against the hurt, anguish and damage caused to the victimes of rape and sexual abuse. The positive is that such a reaction to this dreadful decision, from supporters across the board, their expressions of disgust & outrage, and solidarity with victims, couldn't have been imagined a few years ago.
 
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