Almost as if Harry hadn’t grown up in it.
Prince Harry
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girasol
Addicted to handstands!
There have been real threats, from the far right Harry and Meghan faced 'real' threats while living in the U.K., former top police official says
"The statement said that Harry wanted to pay for police protection himself, rather than make British taxpayers foot the bill, but that he was unable to do so unless Britain's Home Office allowed it."
It does look like the royals are puppets to the grey suits who run the monarchy ... bit like the Curia in the Vatican.
I did briefly think when Camilla was off sick a week ago that maybe she would kick the bucket and there would be another big funeral garnering sympathy for Chucky III and Harry would return to sympathise with him etc etc.
It would also quieten those who dislike the idea of Camilla as queen..
But I think she is getting better so ...there is that...
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
Because its the only way he can earn money? He can’t do a normal job for long, he’s considered a liability, a risk. I read the book, it cemented my thoughts that Royalty is a crazy, outdated, bonkers institution, that belongs in the past, there’s no need for it. It fucks up those who are part of it and costs us a fortune and for what? What’s the point?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The little twat has more money than god already.
Yossarian
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I'm not sure whether this kind of event is standard for authors but the publisher makes it sound like nothing out of the ordinary.
Prince Harry will join Gabor Maté, MD, renowned speaker and bestselling author of The Myth of Normal, for an intimate conversation as they discuss living with loss and the importance of personal healing. Following the conversation there will be an audience Q&A with Prince Harry and Dr. Maté.
This event, to be produced by Random House in partnership with Barnes & Noble, Waterstones and Indigo Books & Music as the exclusive bookselling partners, will also feature an introduction by Barnes & Noble/Waterstone s CEO James Daunt.
Prince Harry will join Gabor Maté, MD, renowned speaker and bestselling author of The Myth of Normal, for an intimate conversation as they discuss living with loss and the importance of personal healing. Following the conversation there will be an audience Q&A with Prince Harry and Dr. Maté.
This event, to be produced by Random House in partnership with Barnes & Noble, Waterstones and Indigo Books & Music as the exclusive bookselling partners, will also feature an introduction by Barnes & Noble/Waterstone s CEO James Daunt.
T & P
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I don’t think it’s as simple as that, though. All public figures have a right to privacy regardless of how many interviews, public engagements, books, TV documentaries or anything else they might choose to do. The concept that any celebrity with a proactive social life has no right to privacy a bullshit fallacious argument the media is desperate for everyone to swallow.
And even more so in this case, when the driving force and lion’s share of the content of their interviews, books or documentaries was to denounce the relentless invasion of privacy and appalling hostility they had been suffering. Almost the entirety of the UK press have been at them non-stop, with virtually no rebuke let alone consequences from the media regulator. I say good on them to try to make a stand, actually. What else could they possibly do to fight back against abominable, bullying yet legal behaviour by powerful media corporations?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Shut the fuck up and go away?
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Because he’s a total hypocrite like all the royal family.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
There's a difference, though, between the two scenarios:
(1) your phone is being hacked and/or the media are making up stories, or there are people in your family, inner friendship circle, your household, your staff/colleagues who are leaking stories about you, some true, some untrue, some half-truths presenting a distorted one-sided image of events that presents you in a particularly bad light. Some people you are close to might even leak stories about you to deflect attention from their own wrongdoing or ill-judged behaviour, so you've effectively been thrown under the bus by people around you colluding with the media. You have no say or control over what is done, no matter how illegal or underhand - such as phone-hacking (or his mother being tricked into doing the Panorama interview by exceptionally shoddy tactics) - because your family, for most of your life, famously 'never complains, never explains' so lets all the untreated sewage and detritus that passes for news in the UK's tabloid press just float on by. No one is held accountable, there are no repercussions for any of the lies told, the harm caused.
And then, after having been for many years the subject - or rather the victim - of the worst kind of press intrusion into your personal and professional life, you meet and enter into a relationship with an American woman, an outsider, not part of the British establishment, from outside the bubble, who sees the UK tabloid press for the toxic trash it is, and tells you 'This is bullshit, you don't have to take this, y'know', so
(2) you take legal action against the media outlets who are intruding into your and your girlfriend, later wife's, personal lives, you sue them for their intrusions and their lies. But that still leaves the problems: the leaked stories, the made up stories, the lies, are still out there. You feel aggrieved. And misunderstood. You feel like people have got the wrong impression of you after you were effectively forced to stand by as the press said and did what it wanted for more than three decades. You feel that the press controlled the narrative about you. But although you're now standing up for yourself and taking action against them, suing them, you feel like they're still in control, you're reactive, you're reacting, to headlines, to stories, written with no input from you, you're exhausted from all the firefighting. So you figure what might help might be to take back control, if you frame the narrative, if you correct the fiction with some facts, if you tell your story.
The whole 'Stop complaining about media coverage and then seeking media coverage, because you're contradicting yourself and being media whores' argument totally fails to understand those complexities.
I'm assuming you're familiar with the concept of consent in the context of sexual relationships, right? Can you honestly not see the parallels? Can you honestly not understand and appreciate that one scenario is like being raped by the press, and the other is being in a consensual relationship with them? Can you now? Or at least start to? Now that I've pointed it out?
But I suppose to many people, that still begs the question, why get into bed with the media that has wronged you so egregiously in the past, right?
Well, for starters, #NotAllMediaOutlets.
I've pointed out the arguments about righting wrongs, correcting lies and misinformation and one-sided portrayals of events, and I've also pointed out the desire to start controlling the narrative, to say if I'm going to be in the public eye to a certain extent - and it's still possible to be unwittingly or unwillingly in the public eye, despite having withdrawn from public life - then it's going to be on my terms, working where and when I want. Lots of celebrities, people in the public eye for other reasons, royalty, high profile businesspeople or politicians, seek to use the media spotlight to do good, to make the best of a bad situation.
But I suspect something else is going on here too, relating to PTSD, to trauma.
Because I see, hear and feel his pain, viscerally. Because I've also suffered trauma, I have complex PTSD. And the urges are so strong. To say: This really fucked up shit happened in my life, and I know that some of it reflects badly on me - not least because, like anyone, I did some wrong shit in my life - but mainly because I've been so, so, so very wronged, lies have been told about me, people with their own nefarious agendas have lied and misrepresented events and conversations, many people have got the wrong end of the stick about me. So I need to tell you my version of events, I need to correct the lies, I need to provide the full context of all those one-sided stories you heard.
[In my case, when I was 21-years-old, when I asked about accessing my social services records, a social worker told me that the only reason my father wasn't prosecuted was because the social services hadn't followed their own procedures. And this mattered because... well, for complicated reasons... but a few years before that, I was reunited/reconciled with my family when I was leaving care by a different social worker. Fast forward to when I was around 24-years-old, and my father assaulted me again and, being an adult now and able to advocate for myself, I went back to the police, who had attended after a neighbour called in reports of a domestic disturbance, and it had taken several cops to drag my father off me, so of course, when I went to the police station and said 'Y'know that 'domestic' you attended the other day? I want him charged now. He should've been charged when I was taken into care as a kid. But I was failed then. I'm standing up for myself now. Charge him. Prosecute him.' But the CID officer refused, basically an assault that left me with some cuts and abrasion, and also finger marks round my neck from where I'd been throttled, was no biggy, it was just a 'domestic'. When I asked the cop, 'Well, what would it take for you to prosecute him?' he replied 'Attempted murder' to which I said 'There's a fine line between attempted murder and murder, and what happens if you don't get there in time the next time?' And then I estranged myself from my whole family for at least a decade. And the wider impact and repercussions of those failures had a catastrophic impact on my life, not least that my daughter was stolen from me. Which I don't talk about much, because blame, shame, etc.]
When stuff happens that causes you to suffer trauma, it has a wider impact, you end up suffering not just from the initial trauma-causing incident(s), but also... it's not just a matter of what some people did to you, it's what other people then didn't do.
When you have been wronged and/or failed by the establishment, by the authorities, by police, etc., by literally anyone and everyone who could have stopped bad people doing bad things and/or could have held them accountable, but didn't, and so you continued to suffer trauma, still do suffer from that trauma, well... you're left with not only the harm caused by the original trauma, but there's the harm caused so many people in positions of authority being bystanders, failing to intervene, to stop the harm being caused to you, and then failing to intervene with the wrongdoers, failing to hold them accountable. And that genuinely exacerbates the original harm, in some senses might be even worse than the original harm.
Can you even imagine how it feels, to have been a helpless child, you've been ill-treated, but then... nothing. The perpetrators aren't caught, aren't held accountable, aren't punished. In fact, in my case, I was punished for my father's crimes. I was physically and emotionally abused by my father, but I was the one who was taken into care, I lost my family, my home, my school, my schoolfriends. My father carried on as normal, no repercussions. And like I said above, he wasn't prosecuted because the social services failed to follow their own procedures. That has been such a headfuck for me.
Can you imagine what it's like to go through your life, having been traumatised, and all the responsible adults around you basically stood back and let it happen, didn't hold the perpetrator responsible or accountable, didn't punish them in any way, shape or form?
Can you imagine what it's like, the impact on your psyche, self-esteem, character, to be left feeling so unworthy because you're fully in the knowledge that the people who could and should have intervened, didn't, the people who could and should have made a difference, didn't?
Can you imagine what it's like, when you're no longer a helpless child, and another incident occurs, and this time you speak up for yourself, you proudly advocate for yourself, bring it to the attention of those in authority, ask for action to finally be taken this time , and... they refuse? Because? Why? That law's clearly been broken. So why won't they do anything about it? Fuck!
So you end up asking yourself, Why is this happening again? Why am I not considered worthy? Why did no one intervene all those years ago? Why did no one do anything all those years ago? And now that I'm older and capable of asking for help, asking for action, why are the people in positions of authority still doing nothing?...
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
...I know I'm arguably projecting a lot here, but at their core, the issues are similar. The inner child is screeeeeaming! Heeeeeeeelp! Stop! Stop this! Won't somebody, somewhere, please do something about this? And then as an adult, there's a kind of duality going on in your mind, because now you're double broke, your inner child was broken, that was the past, you weren't able to self-advocate then, but now... your adult rational self is intervening and engaging with the authorities on behalf of your broken adult self and also that broken inner child...
Sorry for a very clumsy analogy, but it's like your adult rational self is calling 999 and alerting the emergency services, you've applied a tourniquet, put the accident victim in the recovery position, you think I've just flagged down the ambulance and now the emergency services can take over. And they just give the patient a paracetamol and send them on their way, and you're thinking 'Can you not see that massive, open wound?' and are the cops not going to do anything about the driver of the other car that smacked into me, he was slurring his words and couldn't walk in a straight line...? Are they really going to let them get back behind the wheel and drive off? Wow. Yes. Apparently so. Wow. Just, wow.
So you're left with a massive mental wound, a huge void. There's been so much wrongdoing, so many wrongs that have never been righted, no one held responsible, accountable, no one punished. Which causes more pain, because on top of the original grievances, you're now aggrieved at the failings of... pretty much everyone, ever, which exacerbates the pain you feel, which is ongoing. And that void leads to a compulsion for validation. I mean, can no one see this bleeding wound? Can no one see what's going on? What went on? Why does no one acknowledge it? Why does speak out about it, and by extension, why does no one speak out for and on behalf of me? I tried it as an adult, and it didn't work, so where are all the 'professionals'? If they still won't take it from the client/subject/victim/patient, why haven't they intervened? Why don't they? tumbleweed
In now in my sixth decade of life. I'm 53-years-old. And I only found out 1-2 years ago that I would, effectively, never be healed/cured. I'm still left with a sense of wanting/* neeeeeeding * some kind of acknowledgement, validation, someone somewhere in authority - not just a random social worker saying it in passing - to be saying, We fucked up. We failed you. We failed you really badly. We're so sorry.
Because unless and until that happens, you're still that unworthy, unloved child, who no one stood up for, no one in any position of authority ever held any one else responsible or accountable for the wrongs that were done to you, no one who could and should have intervened ensured people were held responsible and punished for causing you so much harm and trauma.
Prince Harry is basically a grown man who's pointing to his inner child and saying, to everyone, to all of us, after his family, the establishment, the authorities, the police, the prosecution services, etc all failed his as a child, and even as an adult, and he's basically asking us to bear witness, to acknowledge the wrong and the harm that's been done to him. To validate his feelings of bewilderment and hurt, that so many were allowed to get away with so much, so often, despite the whole power of the State being at the disposal of those who could and should have intervened to protect him, but failed him so, so very badly.
Again, sorry, probably a lot of personal projection in there, but I know what it's like to have been not only treated like shit, but then to realise that the people who you might hope would care don't give a shit about you either. And I know what it's like to live with that kind of pain, day in, day out, week in, week out, month in, month out, year in, year out, decade in, decade out, so that it casts a huge shadow over the whole of your life. And when you try to articulate your pain, because you desperately need to be heard, need some healing, people at best ignore you, and at worst compound the problem by casting aspersions on the character of the abused person, the victim, victim-blaming them for speaking out and exposing all the fucked up wrongdoing.
Sorry for a very clumsy analogy, but it's like your adult rational self is calling 999 and alerting the emergency services, you've applied a tourniquet, put the accident victim in the recovery position, you think I've just flagged down the ambulance and now the emergency services can take over. And they just give the patient a paracetamol and send them on their way, and you're thinking 'Can you not see that massive, open wound?' and are the cops not going to do anything about the driver of the other car that smacked into me, he was slurring his words and couldn't walk in a straight line...? Are they really going to let them get back behind the wheel and drive off? Wow. Yes. Apparently so. Wow. Just, wow.
So you're left with a massive mental wound, a huge void. There's been so much wrongdoing, so many wrongs that have never been righted, no one held responsible, accountable, no one punished. Which causes more pain, because on top of the original grievances, you're now aggrieved at the failings of... pretty much everyone, ever, which exacerbates the pain you feel, which is ongoing. And that void leads to a compulsion for validation. I mean, can no one see this bleeding wound? Can no one see what's going on? What went on? Why does no one acknowledge it? Why does speak out about it, and by extension, why does no one speak out for and on behalf of me? I tried it as an adult, and it didn't work, so where are all the 'professionals'? If they still won't take it from the client/subject/victim/patient, why haven't they intervened? Why don't they? tumbleweed
In now in my sixth decade of life. I'm 53-years-old. And I only found out 1-2 years ago that I would, effectively, never be healed/cured. I'm still left with a sense of wanting/* neeeeeeding * some kind of acknowledgement, validation, someone somewhere in authority - not just a random social worker saying it in passing - to be saying, We fucked up. We failed you. We failed you really badly. We're so sorry.
Because unless and until that happens, you're still that unworthy, unloved child, who no one stood up for, no one in any position of authority ever held any one else responsible or accountable for the wrongs that were done to you, no one who could and should have intervened ensured people were held responsible and punished for causing you so much harm and trauma.
Prince Harry is basically a grown man who's pointing to his inner child and saying, to everyone, to all of us, after his family, the establishment, the authorities, the police, the prosecution services, etc all failed his as a child, and even as an adult, and he's basically asking us to bear witness, to acknowledge the wrong and the harm that's been done to him. To validate his feelings of bewilderment and hurt, that so many were allowed to get away with so much, so often, despite the whole power of the State being at the disposal of those who could and should have intervened to protect him, but failed him so, so very badly.
Again, sorry, probably a lot of personal projection in there, but I know what it's like to have been not only treated like shit, but then to realise that the people who you might hope would care don't give a shit about you either. And I know what it's like to live with that kind of pain, day in, day out, week in, week out, month in, month out, year in, year out, decade in, decade out, so that it casts a huge shadow over the whole of your life. And when you try to articulate your pain, because you desperately need to be heard, need some healing, people at best ignore you, and at worst compound the problem by casting aspersions on the character of the abused person, the victim, victim-blaming them for speaking out and exposing all the fucked up wrongdoing.
T & P
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They did go away. Why the fuck should they shut up about unacceptable bullying treatment though? I thought we’re supposed to expose and challenge bullies, not enable them. More so when nofuckinbody else will, as it is the case with the UK press.
This fucking shit, which had been going on long before they started their media offensive, is fucking unacceptable. Regardless of how much you might dislike someone, only a complete cunt could have an issue with Harry and Meghan calling shit like this out
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bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
I'm sorry to learn of all you have had to endure ((((AnnO'Neemus ))))
Quite understand how you see parallels with Harry's situation. It's his privilege that seems so easily to eclipse any sympathy for him and his injustices.
The press hate Meghan because of the daylight she brings to the murky channels discharging from the grey men of the Palace to the gutter.
Quite understand how you see parallels with Harry's situation. It's his privilege that seems so easily to eclipse any sympathy for him and his injustices.
The press hate Meghan because of the daylight she brings to the murky channels discharging from the grey men of the Palace to the gutter.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
I am being slightly glib here, but there’s a whole branch of psychological theory which suggests we subconsciously try recreate the conditions of our childhood in our adult life…
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
The documentary used videos of the media chasing down other celebrities, not them. Iirc, they did have some footage of a person on a bike chasing after them with a video camera.
Wrt to the Canadian police abandoning them, yes and no.
While they were dating, and up to the point of them deciding not to be working royals, the Canadian police maintained security on her. The police showed all the overtime that was called to sit outside her apartment, surrounding the area that Suits was filmed, and outside of the Mulroney's.
One of the segments about Meghan running to the police and they would not help her was probably correct. The police told her that she was only a celebrity, not a working royal, she would have to look after herself. No longer a working royality, no taxpayer money was spent on her. She was just another famous person, and Canadian taxpayers do not provide protection to famous people.
eta: post is a bit disjointed because I'm trying to post and cook dinner.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Hmmm... I haven't read about that theory, but I'd agree there's a link to the conditions of our childhood. Off the top of my head, it's like being stuck in a feedback loop, which you can't escape out of, because the wounds from the trauma are still raw. And to extend that analogy, imagine a scab on a child's knee; I guess with 'normal' people, the wound has healed, maybe left a scar, but for people suffering from ongoing trauma, sometimes the wound gets broken open again by being knocked into something else, or sometimes the child picks the scab and it starts bleeding again, but it never heals properly.I am being slightly glib here, but there’s a whole branch of psychological theory which suggests we subconsciously try recreate the conditions of our childhood in our adult life…
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
Actually, I can (that is, i don't need to imagine) and I really wish Harry would just quietly enjoy his luxuriously privileged life. The extent to which people want to feel his pain and sympathize really rubs in how few people have ever cared to feel my pain, sympathized with my trauma or listened to my stories. If I wrote a book it'd never get published, if I went on TV no fucker would watch. So as far as I'm concerned, Harry Windsor can fuck off, he'll never have to work a double shift, wait for a doctor's appointment, queue in A&E, buy Essentials baked beans, worry if he can afford the electric this week, or the car's MOT or new school clothes for his kids, etc etc. He can afford all the therapies, all the counsellors, all the holidays but no, none of that matters unless he can share it with the plebs. It's fucked up and mean and childish and I think it comes from a bitter place, so .. bitterness back! /rantAnnO'Neemus said:
mojo pixy
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Seriously .. it's not that he's particularly interesting, clever, sensitive or insightful. He doesn't even write his own material ffs. But he has been taught since birth that he's better and matters more than most people, that his experiences and thoughts are more important, and that he deserves to be listened to. He really thinks so too, or none of this would be happening. (Lots of us presumably agree, or err none of this would be happening, it's not all on him).
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Having worked in broadcast news/broadcasting, I can imagine how easily that might have happened without any intention to deceive.
One day, there's a story about eg phone-hacking, maybe there's a recommendation coming out of an enquiry, or maybe the regulator publishes new guidelines, or maybe the relevant minister has said something about press misbehaviour... but it's a bit tricky to source video footage for phone-hacking, what with the media having carried out illegal activities and annoyingly not recording themselves in the act. That's unhelpful. How bloody inconvenient.
Never mind. If you don't have some video footage of a phone playing a hacked voicemail on speakerphone to hand, you need to get a bit more creative, maybe use examples of people who've been the subject of phone-hacking and press intrusion including Celebrities X, Y and Z, and also Harry and Meghan. Many of those whose phones were hacked also complained about being chased by paparazzi, investigators/journalists going through their bins, etc, but again no footage of the latter.
So a video package gets cobbled together for the news bulletins using some archive footage of paparazzi stalking/chasing/hounding their prey.
But whoever is entering the details in the system, when the finished piece is uploaded, labels the video: 'phone hacking [date]' and maybe enters some key words in the database, including phone-hacking, press intrusion, paparazzi, celebrities, Celebrity X, Celebrity Y, Celebrity Z, Prince Harry, Meghan.
A year or so goes by, then someone's making a documentary about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Interviews with the couple are set up, interviews with other key figures. A junior researcher is tasked with sourcing and clearing some footage for editing into the three-part documentary, for cut-aways or general 'B roll' under a narrative voiceover. The researchers search relevant databases for 'paparazzi +Sussex +Prince Harry +Meghan' and come across a video package for a news story about paparazzi and the Sussexes. They're not necessarily listening to the audio - which if they'd listened might've made clear who was being chased in that particular scene - because they've been tasked with sourcing video footage. And anyway, they're junior researchers, tasked with a relatively easy job. So maybe they accidentally mislabelled it when uploading into the system for editing the documentary, forgot to include the names of the other celebrities, didn't make it clear the footage might also be about other incidents/people? After all, they have a really long 'to do' list, they also need some footage of the Sussexes outside Windsor Castle, on Buckingham Palace balcony, footage of their wedding, footage of Meghan in Suits and on a US gameshow, footage of action-man Harry on the frontline, footage of him at the Invictus Games, etc etc etc etc etc.
Or maybe the researcher who sourced the footage to be used for cut-aways and B-roll did their job effectively, and labelled everything accurately, and maybe the editor was at fault?
Either way, probably more likely to be a cock-up than an intention to deceive and make paparazzi harassment look 'worse' - although they apparently had a causal role in his mother dying, so did the documentary makers really need to resort to hyberbole? Especially when I'm guessing if the error had been picked up, they could've sourced some equally bad footage.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I'm really sorry for your experiences, really sorry that you've experienced pain and trauma.
I don't think of it like a competition, though, trauma's trauma, and it doesn't matter how rich or poor you are, it's still a headfuck, it still adversely impacts your mental health, your relationships, your life.
It is undoubtedly unjust, that some people have more resources and are better able to access support and services and treatments, but that's not the fault of some other random guy, who also happens to be suffering from trauma.
Money doesn't buy happiness. All it can do is ensure that you're not unhappy due to no/low income and the stress of unpaid bills or or inability to put food on the table. Money doesn't prevent people from getting sick in the first place, whether that's physical or mental health, it doesn't make people love you or care about you. Rich people can be unhappy and/or sad and/or lonely.
The fact they're rich doesn't make me want to kick them while they're down. I'm glad he's using his platform to bring attention to PTSD/trauma, make it less of a taboo to talk about.
I once overheard a colleague refer to me as 'a nutter', I was walking past a room with an open door after coming out of the loos, just happened to walk past the open door as he said it. No one knew I overheard him. I was on my way somewhere else, returned to the main room a few minutes later and felt like I had to pretend everything was normal, nothing was amiss, had to have a cheery conversation with people, not just him, but also with the others, none of whom had pulled him up on his nasty comment (he was definitely meaning it in a nasty way, not jokingly saying it in a political incorrect way).
So I'd love for there to be more coverage and conversations of PTSD, trauma, mental health more generally. I'd love it if talking about it 'normalised' talk about mental health so as to put it on a par with physical health, so it wasn't such a shameful secret, and so governments could no longer get away with treating mental health services as the 'Cinderella service' they can continue underfunding, because generally speaking, no one wants to speak out, no one (or relatively few people) want(s) to be the poster child for being mentally unwell.
I mean, if I tried to speak up about PTSD/mental health, it wouldn't make much of a difference, if at all, as I don't have a platform or a high profile.
Do you think it would make any difference to your life if he just went away, counted his money and shut up? I know that wouldn't make any difference to my life. But maybe, just maybe, he might be able to make a difference when it comes to PTSD and mental health, the way that his mother managed to change the narrative about HIV/Aids and also highlight the problems with unexploded mines, etc.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
A totally innocent mistake(s)??
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle accused of ‘faking’ press hounding
The pair used a photo in their new documentary trailer that they themselves approved to be taken while suggesting the press was invading their privacy.
pagesix.com
I'm sure they used other peoples media frenzies and photos that they gave permission to the photographer was just an oopsy
Combustible
Well-Known Member
aka the 'Dipendra discount'
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
That Gabor Mate is a fucking fraud as well.
mojo pixy
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AnnO'Neemus said:
I genuinely don't think any of us have anything substantial to learn from someone so privileged, that we can't learn from just talking to each other. Acting as if we do in my view allows this one person's trauma to eclipse so many others' experience. Nearly all of us have pain and trauma, his is not worth more despite his profile - though you wouldn't know it (and I'm sure he believes it is). However we all act as if it does, by playing along with his exhibitionism - hence the acres of reflections on it by all and sundry (even me ffs).
I think you may be underestimating how massive a difference wealth makes to trauma - not to have to worry about your present or future, so you can focus entirely on your past. The freedom to choose your therapy, your therapist, to not have to wait for appointments, to talk for hours if you want because you can afford to pay them overtime. Most of us will never know this freedom, this absolute luxury. You're right, trauma itself is not a competition - but virtually everything else is. And any way you slice it, someone like Harry wins that. Is winning. Will always win.
I personally don't need pity or sorrow, living through pain has made me strong - I can't even imagine writing a book to reveal it all, at this point it's just part of who I am. I use it as power. I've always been called a weirdo, I consider that a compliment - not because it is, but what choice do I have? My son gets called weird at school, I told him too he should treat it as a compliment, and just say thanks and not worry about it. Not because that's best - but again, what choice does he have? Accept it and be unhappy and/or sad and/or lonely, as you put it? Of course not - live it, flaunt it, embrace it.
But neither I or he will ever have the life Harry Windsor has, and there's nothing for us (or, with respect, you or any of us here) to learn from this ex-duke.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
I'm confused about this. Are you implying they should have video footage of themselves being chased? Like, they are literally avoiding paparazzi, they should also film ALL of it? Why? So, they used stock images of paparazzi, so what? They also used a lot of images of Diana being chased, because that was available. The terror was apparent from their words, not the images.
Not related to the above, but there's a really mean streak on how Harry & Meghan are talked about. Oh, they have money and fame so fuck them. She's a gold digger. To me, the most interesting (and sometimes depressing) thing in this is what it says about people, their reactions, perceptions and judgements. I was very hesitant to say anything about this until I at least tried to get their side of the story too. Before I read the book all I was getting was negative press and vilification, mostly via tabloids. I am against the monarchy so it would have been easy to hate and judge them from the start. However, once I started looking into it, it became clear there's so much more to this. There's the way the institution itself is repressive and controlling. There's the racist & misogynistic way Meghan was talked by the tabloids, by social media (i.e. by people). This really is an insight into how British society works, and it's fucking ugly at times.
I don't want to be a part of a groupthink that endorses that people deserve everything awful they get because they are in the public eye, including death threats, but also intense scrutiny, where trivial things get twisted into a character assassination. This "feed them to the lions" mentality is barbaric. There must be boundaries and lines that aren't crossed. The paparazzi are a revolting, greedy breed that will do anything to get a photo or a salacious story.
Everyone feels sorry for Diana NOW, but back in the day, when she gave her interview???? It wasn't quite like that. She got a similar level of hatred from certain sections of the media too. So do Harry and Meghan have to die to get a bit of understanding and compassion?
Meghan & Harry lost a child in all this, and they think it was probably due to the stress she was going through. She considered killing herself ffs. When is enough enough?
Also most of us deal with our trauma in private - imagine having your whole life & trauma used as tabloid fodder? Imagine people making money out of following you around, twisting stories about your life? All your family history being exposed, your half sister selling stories about you & your father? I actually think there's a lot for us to learn from all this.
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pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
I don’t envy any of them. I’d rather be skint and have my mental health.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
This.
I'm honestly starting to think that the press are doing their damnedest to hound one or other of them (or both) to their death.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Yes. I absolutely get the complex feelings, envy over he resources he has and subsequent anger. But to paraphrase what has been said on other threads about other groups of people, Harry won’t read this but people struggling with acknowledging the impact of their own trauma and feelings of “how can I moan about x because I have y, or it wasn’t as bad as Z” may be reading. Trauma is subjective, personal, and we still don’t know why one person may be relatively unscathed after an objectively horrific incident whilst another person is, well, traumatised after something seemingly less minor. And empathy doesn’t need to have a limit, though of course individuals may reach theirs, because of the challenges they face themselves.
The thing that keeps running through my mind is that desire to be seen; to be seen as your “authentic self” as the younglings would say. It seems he was/is not “seen” by a lot of the significant figures in his life and honestly, I get the oversharing thing in principle if not degree. Yes money is no doubt part of it but there’s a whole load of psychological factors at play too. It’s kinda fascinating.
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