Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[Athos]

The most obvious prima facie crime is by Maxwell - sex trafficking, pimping. If PA knew about that, of course, he's in shit as well, but he'd surely be a person of interest in any investigation into Maxwell. Put it this way, if it were you or me whose bestie mates were being investigated for running a sex trafficking ring and it was alleged that they gave me girls from that ring for me to have sex with in their house, we'd be feeling the heat.

Maybe, but maybe not if there was an extant investigation by a friendly country with a better claim to primacy e.g. the US investigating a crime by a (dual) US citizen, with a US accomplice, and US victims, where most of the ongoing conduct took place in the US. I mean it's quite possible that they're covering up for him, or are scared of another Carl Beech situation, but, on the face of it, they've got an 'out.'

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There's really no 'maybe' about it. Of course, the Met is going to look for and take any 'out' they can get. But let's not fool ourselves - if they can't find a good one, they'll just invent a bullshit one.

 

[Pickman's model]

Errr...the age a prostitute must be in the UK is 18. And the fact she states quite clearly that she felt coerced in to travelling with Maxwell and Epstein is the bit where, you know, consent is not given



And?

Shag a woman trafficked to the UK against her will and you can find yourself in very hot water.




It's a long-shot he'll get done even if all she said is proved categorically. But it is very much on the line of quite serious criminality, which is why he's coming out with his load of old fanny.

And the MPS has no interest in investigating any senior royal for serious offences, quite the opposite in fact. Had these allegations been made against an ordinary Joe they would at least have a nosey to see what the hullabaloo is all about.

frankly we all know that there's zero chance of anything happening to the royal nonce.

the remainder of the royal family are desperate to put it behind them. but this isn't going to go away.

it's how it affects the royal family, the monarchy as an institution. it won't bring them down. but it's removed a few jenga pieces from the tower.

 

[Athos]

Bahnhof Strasse what specific offence (by reference to the legislation in force at the time) do you say is made out against him if what Virginia Roberts says is true?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Bahnhof Strasse what specific offence (by reference to the legislation in force at the time) do you say is made ot against him if what Virginia Roberts says is true?

Being a parasitic royal cunt.

And having sex with an underage prostitute.

I think the strict liability law for shagging a woman trafficking in to the UK against her will can't be added retrospectively to that time, but a charge of rape could be.

 

[D'wards]

Is it possible that Andrew did have sex with her but was unaware she was trafficked in and she was put upto it by Epstein and Maxwell?
They may have instructed her to do it as a party favour, or even to get something on him as Epstein was known to do

 

[Saunders]

I hear that it's because he never uses lube

Is that supposed to be a humorous comment? Because it’s like saying ‘I hear it’s because he fucks them so roughly they bleed.’

Taking the odious Andrew out of this for a minute, how has it become so normalised to say such a thing in a ‘Hur Hur snigger snigger’ way? Titter titter lube tee hee.

Men using their cocks as instruments of damage or scorn is NOT FUCKING FUNNY.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Is it possible that Andrew did have sex with her but was unaware she was trafficked in and she was put upto it by Epstein and Maxwell?
They may have instructed her to do it as a party favour, or even to get something on him as Epstein was known to do

I would say it is very possible he had sex with/raped her without giving a single fuck about who she was, why she was there, or anything else to do with her. Self-obsessed, narcissistic cunt that he very clearly is.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Is it possible that Andrew did have sex with her but was unaware she was trafficked in and she was put upto it by Epstein and Maxwell?
They may have instructed her to do it as a party favour, or even to get something on him as Epstein was known to do

Today there is a thing in law called a Strict Liability Offence, where he would be guilty even if he had no idea at all and could prove that. It didn't apply back then though, AFAIK.

 

[Pickman's model]

is that cheeky ghislane maxwell poking her head in on the right hand side?

 

[D'wards]

is that cheeky ghislane maxwell poking her head in on the right hand side?

Andrew's jacket is covered in powder. Defo not the photo

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

is that cheeky ghislane maxwell poking her head in on the right hand side?

Naturally.

 

[brogdale]

is that cheeky ghislane maxwell poking her head in on the right hand side?

At least 50% nonce, there.

 

[nyxx]

I think this attempt at humour is somewhat off target.

Coerced or forced sex just isn't funny. And this isn't the first thread on urban recently where a male poster has made such a 'joke' leaving more than one female urb feeling distinctly uncomfortable (at best) if not downright creeped out.

So can this behaviour stop?

Thank you. That comment made me feel quite sick.

 

[Athos]

Being a parasitic royal cunt.

And having sex with an underage prostitute.

I think the strict liability law for shagging a woman trafficking in to the UK against her will can't be added retrospectively to that time, but a charge of rape could be.

Utter drivel.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Utter drivel.

Incisive and convulsive there.

As per on threads about rapey fuckers, where you pop up like a fucking jack in the box as soon as the heat gets turned on to the sleezoid perp with your pseudo-legal challenges to the creepy cunts.

 

[Athos]

Incisive and convulsive there.

As per on threads about rapey fuckers, where you pop up like a fucking jack in the box as soon as the heat gets turned on to the sleezoid perp with your pseudo-legal challenges to the creepy cunts.

What the fuck are you wittering about, you clown?

The question of what offences were on the statute book at the time is a wholly legal question, not a 'pseudo-legal' one.

And me explaining (to others who'd asked) some plausible reasons the police might give for not investigating Andrew* - the fact that, on the face of it, he's not committed any offence which they have jurisdiction to investigate, and the probable extant investigation into Maxwell in the US - isn't me defending him. Indeed, I've explicitly criticised his conduct, and said I believe Virginia Roberts' version of events.

I hate the royals, and would love to see him get sent down. But nobody is helped by the sort of ill-informed wishful thinking you're peddaling. What you're saying about the law is just flat-out wrong.

And, for the record, if you look through my previous posts on the law around rape, you'll see I've been very critical of how it fails victims generally, and of some specific high-profile acquittals (e.g. see the Ched Evans thread).

*without denying that they probably try to find away out, even if this wasn't the case.

 

[UrbaneFox]

is that cheeky ghislane maxwell poking her head in on the right hand side?

Who would have thought Maxwell's daughter could be so dismissive of human beings, and that when she spoke to Sarah Ransom it was 'as though she had shit on her shoes'?

Donald Trump must have been almost fragrant standing alongside this lot

 

[Marty1]

I would say it is very possible he had sex with/raped her without giving a single fuck about who she was, why she was there, or anything else to do with her. Self-obsessed, narcissistic cunt that he very clearly is.

Virginia Guiffre said as much in her interview with Panorama, they (PA, Maxwell & Epstein) treat them like (sex) objects at their disposal, totally dehumanising.

Well, Epstein is dead, PA’s life/public life is in tatters and Maxwell has fallen off the planet so it’s good to see justice of sorts catching them up from all those years ago when they thought they were untouchable to do as they please.

 

[Wilf]

What was the £15k loan to Fergie all about? He spends £12k on a flight to New York to scrounge £15k off a nonce. Bit whiffy.

How dare you use facts to undermine a Prince of the realm!

In the Maitliss interview his brane realised these figures didn't add up so went with the 'I'm too honourable to tell a nonce I don't want to be his friend anymore so had to go and spend 5 days in nonce mansions' line. I've always held the naive notion that when members of the elite want to cover their tracks they can manipulate the evidence at the level of the small details. But it really does look Paedipus Rex is on his own with this, left on his own to come up increasing levels of absurdity and noncesense. Never mind getting fabricated royal protection logs to give him an alibi, he can't even get a fake Pizza Express receipt.

 

[Wilf]

Errr...the age a prostitute must be in the UK is 18. And the fact she states quite clearly that she felt coerced in to travelling with Maxwell and Epstein is the bit where, you know, consent is not given



And?

Shag a woman trafficked to the UK against her will and you can find yourself in very hot water.




It's a long-shot he'll get done even if all she said is proved categorically. But it is very much on the line of quite serious criminality, which is why he's coming out with his load of old fanny.

And the MPS has no interest in investigating any senior royal for serious offences, quite the opposite in fact. Had these allegations been made against an ordinary Joe they would at least have a nosey to see what the hullabaloo is all about.

Also, there seems to be a pattern of women being 'provided' for windsor by epstein. I'm not going to hunt the links down but I think Virginia Roberts is the 3rd I've heard mention of (though I've no idea whether she was 1st, 2nd or third of the 3, chronologically). Regardless of whether evidential thresholds were passed, it's pretty clear that windsor knew what the crack was - the paedo was pimping women out to him on a regular basis.

Oh, and yes, Dershovitz is scum personified.

 

[Wilf]

I would say it is very possible he had sex with/raped her without giving a single fuck about who she was, why she was there, or anything else to do with her. Self-obsessed, narcissistic cunt that he very clearly is.

I think that's true about his attitude to her and indeed all the other 'servants' he described ignoring in the interview. I suspect it's also literally true in the Roberts case. He was used to having women provided, literally a non issue for him. It would have needed an entirely alien world view for him to ask why she had ended up in a mansion being farmed out to him.

There's a dark irony in that really. He comes from a family that has mastered one single skill: asking members of the public who they are and where they are from.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What the fuck are you wittering about, you clown?
.

You miss the point, I think. Why isn't any of this being investigated? That's the question here. It's not just about Nosweat Andrew. Except, of course, that it is all about Nosweat Andrew. He's the reason none of this is being investigated. Without him, Maxwell and no doubt others would be in big trouble. But they can't be in trouble without him being in trouble. That's the calculation.

 

[Humberto]

It's the fact that we have a queen. A fucking queen ffs.

Then this shit. Beyond embarrassing.

 

[Humberto]

I mean how the fuck are you 'the queen'? Or by what right or authority?

Absolute titheadedness.

 

[two sheds]

I mean how the fuck are you 'the queen'? Or by what right or authority?

She hasn't got shit all over her

 

[Wilf]

She hasn't got shit all over her

To be honest, Mark Oaten's claim to the throne was always on shaky ground. After the initial smears he was very soon on the skids.

 

[Humberto]

HOW DARE YOU etc

imply the queen is a nonegenarion shitehawk indeed. i shall be writing to the Express.

 

[dessiato]

As much as I am anti-royalist the Queen does seem to be the last of the really decent ones, although there seems to be less scandal attached to both Anne and Edward than the others. Let's be done with these parasites. Make them learn an honest trade and work for a living.

 

[Calamity1971]

As much as I am anti-royalist the Queen does seem to be the last of the really decent ones

Nah, she's a cunt as well.