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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

dylanredefined said:
The Kastom people of Tannu island Vannautu worship him.
It's a cargo cult.
I too do strange rituals at the weekends to appease the sky gods. Think the Kastom people have more chance of getting a visit from Phil. Than us lot getting a helicopter.
Maybe we could blow up a dam.
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A friend of mine - well, she's more like someone I used to know really - did research there. She says the locals believe that Phil is secretly one of them, and is subverting the royal family from within.
 
discokermit said:
there are political and financial motives aplenty in this case. It's riddled with them.
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I had to actually go back to see that I had written something that silly. You're right, of course, and I expressed myself really poorly there. What I meant was mostly that I was surprised at the extent of involvement considering the risk. Of course Epstein and his "assistants" were benefiting financially, and maybe there was blackmail or involvement with intelligence agencies or god knows what else. At some point, though, a whole bunch of upper class people seem to have made the decision to get involved in this thing because they wanted to express their power through sexual abuse, and that urge was stronger than their fear of getting caught and potentially losing everything. That surprised me a bit.

Trying to think seriously about this topic is making me kind of ill, though. I should probably stick to making jokes about it.
 
Gimigimi said:
I had to actually go back to see that I had written something that silly. You're right, of course, and I expressed myself really poorly there. What I meant was mostly that I was surprised at the extent of involvement considering the risk. Of course Epstein and his "assistants" were benefiting financially, and maybe there was blackmail or involvement with intelligence agencies or god knows what else. At some point, though, a whole bunch of upper class people seem to have made the decision to get involved in this thing because they wanted to express their power through sexual abuse, and that urge was stronger than their fear of getting caught and potentially losing everything. That surprised me a bit.

Trying to think seriously about this topic is making me kind of ill, though. I should probably stick to making jokes about it.
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It gave them more power and money. It was an initiation into a club, a ritual that meant they all have something on each other and so can be trusted.
They're all chums, helping each other out, making each other rich, giving each other positions of power.
 
One slightly off topic thing. I’ve always had a feeling that the rich live in a world different to most peoples. Including having an expectation that any desires they may have will be met. Including sexual ones. I suppose Jeffery Epstein and his ‘associates’ and customers are an example of this.
 
Cid said:
Yeah, but your patients probably don’t hold a lot of cards in a major criminal investigation with access to the best lawyers money can buy. A bit of bargaining gets him a few privileges, slightly less frequent checks etc. Doesn’t take a lot.

I mean clearly there are other possibilities, but 99 times in 100 incompetence over conspiracy.
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Well they took him off suicide watch, removed his cell mate and then the security camera stopped working. In probably the highest profile case in the country. In my opinion he was allowed to commit suicide.
ETA: They also stopped doing the Q30 minute obs that were ordered. And this was less than a week after a serious suicide attempt using a violent method (indicating serious intent). I sometimes pull shifts at the local forensics unit Colony Farm (think Ashworth, Rampton and Broadmoor) which isn't a million miles away from corrections. This would never have been allowed to happen. Especially with such a high profile case. The managers should've have had this at the top of their agenda. It's fishy as fuck.
 
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Ming said:
One slightly off topic thing. I’ve always had a feeling that the rich live in a world different to most peoples. Including having an expectation that any desires they may have will be met. Including sexual ones. I suppose Jeffery Epstein and his ‘associates’ and customers are an example of this.
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Do you think he bought himself the opportunity to commit suicide? From what little I know, it seems the simplest explanation. Probably suited a lot of people all round, including those paid to turn a blind eye.
 
bluescreen said:
Do you think he bought himself the opportunity to commit suicide? From what little I know, it seems the simplest explanation. Probably suited a lot of people all round, including those paid to turn a blind eye.
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You can always speculate.
 
dylanredefined said:
The Kastom people of Tannu island Vannautu worship him.
It's a cargo cult.
I too do strange rituals at the weekends to appease the sky gods. Think the Kastom people have more chance of getting a visit from Phil. Than us lot getting a helicopter.
Maybe we could blow up a dam.
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Tanna, Vanuatu.
 
bluescreen said:
Do you think he bought himself the opportunity to commit suicide? From what little I know, it seems the simplest explanation. Probably suited a lot of people all round, including those paid to turn a blind eye.
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The only theory that can be ruled out at this point is that nothing dodgy at all happened in regards to Epstein's death. That sort of thing is always a field day for conspironauts.
 
I have no idea if this is for real (I suspect not):

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Ming said:
Well they took him off suicide watch, removed his cell mate and then the security camera stopped working. In probably the highest profile case in the country. In my opinion he was allowed to commit suicide.
ETA: They also stopped doing the Q30 minute obs that were ordered. And this was less than a week after a serious suicide attempt using a violent method (indicating serious intent). I sometimes pull shifts at the local forensics unit Colony Farm (think Ashworth, Rampton and Broadmoor) which isn't a million miles away from corrections. This would never have been allowed to happen. Especially with such a high profile case. The managers should've have had this at the top of their agenda. It's fishy as fuck.
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Yeah, but knowing the US justice system, these are going to be low paid, overworked failed police officers. I mean I fully grant that this looks dodgy as fuck, but incompetence over conspiracy nearly every time.
 
Magnus McGinty said:
Wasn’t there just one to begin with? She has an ‘accident’, the message goes out to the rest. Plus, I don’t see how getting rid of him stops anything either. The accusations didn’t die with him.
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But at the very least, his trial dies with him. I've no idea who else is being investigated or might be charged, but he himself cannot spill the beans on others in the courtroom - or threaten to do so in increasing desperation to somehow beat this. Facing the rest of his life in jail, he had precious little motive to keep quiet.
 
Just read in the Sydney Morning herald that the autopsy revealed broken neck bones that might result from hanging in an older person but usually consistent with strangulation.
 
JimW said:
Just read in the Sydney Morning herald that the autopsy revealed broken neck bones that might result from hanging in an older person but usually consistent with strangulation.
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The hyoid bone. The last case I remember involving that bone, the victim was a female Spartacist League member in early '90s Moscow.
 
Magnus McGinty said:
He knew he was facing serious time perhaps never to be released. This is a guy who owns an island who is contemplating his future in a cell in some shit hole. Not beyond the realms of possibility that he did himself in and incompetence allowed it to happen.
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I dunno. Suicide tends to need hopelessness, helplessness or shame - not common reactions among the sociopathic billionaire class. For people like him, there's always a way out, always a second, third, fourth, fortieth chance. Deals to be done, levers to be pulled. Suicide seems premature, even without the massive eyebrow raise of a prison (deemed secure enough to house the likes of El Chapo) taking its eyes off its most vulnerable prisoner while its manager is under massive global scrutiny. The whole thing is obscure as candles in a hall of mirrors, & probably always will be, but accepting the official line feels too easy to me.
 
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