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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

I'm an RPN and i've nursed loads of suicidal people on locked wards. Don't know how it is in prison but on wards we put people on 'observations' which differ in intensity depending on the assessed level of risk. These vary from hourly (lowest level check) through 30 minute, 15 minute, etc. If someone is high risk (recent serious attempt using a violent method) then you use a 'one to one'. One person assigned to the patient (sometimes line of sight, sometimes arms length). You can even go up to a two to one, etc. If someone is very high risk we put them in a seclusion room (basically a locked bare room with a mattress and security blanket which can't be used as a ligature and a security camera and they're in PJ's only). Also if he was on suicide watch his cell should have been ligature point audited (so nothing to attach a ligature to). If the camera was on the fritz he should have been put on a one to one as the stress that may have produced the attempt on the 25th July would not have gone away. If they were seriously trying to keep him alive for trial and further confessions/revelations they could have is the point i'm making (assuming it was suicide and not murder). As this was a high profile case pressure would have been put on corrections to do their jobs. But as you say...smells like an expired curry.

Oh you and your process and procedure and your common sense. Has no place here. The man clearly strangled himself to death with his own bare hands, good riddance to bad rubbish.

Look! A squirrel!
 
Look at this way. He invested money in cryogenics, because he's scared of what awaits him. Waste of money. Proper nonce kills himself, wakes up in hell.
 
"underage minors" :hmm: Is that just tautology or is it protesting too much?

ETA: Of course a minor might still be above the age of consent in some jurisdictions, eg the UK. Noted that the age of consent is 17 in NY.
Yes, denial does not include "impropriety" (in the UK) with anyone aged 17.
 
I dunno. If deprived of his usual chemical needs he might be. He might have had something to say after his first 'attempt' if anyone had asked him. Presumably the people who assessed his mental condition afterwards and decided he didn't need to be on suicide watch after all had asked him and taken a view.

But how very convenient for so many people.

Not sure how ‘convenient’ this is when his death will dominate the headlines for a while and consequently amplify the accusations against him and associates. It’ll feed every conspiracy going. More attention is drawn to the wrong’uns by this happening really, I think they’d have preferred something quieter.
 
Whatever happened around the 'suicide' I do hope he spent the last few weeks with a mounting sense of dread about the turn his life has taken. But yeah, convenient is the right word. Doesn't mean anyone took the high risk strategy of doing him in, maybe they just left a known suicide risk with minimal checks.
 
Not sure how ‘convenient’ this is when his death will dominate the headlines for a while and consequently amplify the accusations against him and associates. It’ll feed every conspiracy going. More attention is drawn to the wrong’uns by this happening really, I think they’d have preferred something quieter.

I doubt it; if anything recent history would tend to suggest that being obviously to blame for someone accidentally committing suicide / ingesting polonium / dismembering whilst awaiting a marriage licence / confusing nerve agent with duty free airport perfume is something that the perpetrators are actually aiming for.
 
Andrew will be a happy chappy this morning. The perv snuffing it was a really handy turn of events.
Wonder if any prison guards are going on holiday to 5 star hotels on tropical islands next week.
 
Not sure how ‘convenient’ this is when his death will dominate the headlines for a while and consequently amplify the accusations against him and associates. It’ll feed every conspiracy going. More attention is drawn to the wrong’uns by this happening really, I think they’d have preferred something quieter.

This strikes me as a method of last resort. The extent and gravity of the crime perhaps necessitates it - that is, the public can easily understand what's gone on here. There's no real way to spin this, no amount of PR flak that can stop a clear statement of involvement with underage prostitution. If this were a financial crime, where millions of people had been screwed out of their livelihoods, the parties implicated could always blanket the media with garbage about how careful the companies will be next time, what a mistake they've made, etc, and rely on generalized ignorance about the nuances of economics - see Wells Fargo for a basic example. I once made a dollar fifty filling out a survey asking me repeated questions about what I knew about 'negative coverage' of Wells Fargo in the media. They were paying a survey company to see what the public knew, so they knew how much to spin, and what they should be spinning. With Epstein, though, it's not really possible to bullshit your way out of it if he decides to squeal. Everyone knows what underage sex is - there's no ambiguity and no escape hatch. That means he has to die. Even if it fuels speculation, it will only stay speculation and it can always be called a "conspiracy theory". It'll always just be one of those "controversial" things, where anyone involved can always weasel out with "well, we don't have any hard proof".

That's the pessimistic outlook, of course. The future has yet to be written, and perhaps other testimony can bring down some of the people involved - but with Epstein himself gone, the cases will be a lot harder compared to what they would have been with his cooperation. Perhaps impossible.

Obviously all of this is just speculation, and I'm not even that well-read on the case, and barely know anything about my own legal system. But this right here is the most obviously corrupt thing I believe I've ever seen in the USA in my lifetime in terms of the extent and ... diversity? of the people involved. There's so many people linked to Epstein it boggles the mind, and I really thought my mind was kind of un-bogglable these days. I guess it's just the result of the sexual nature of the case - probably an artifact of power in general, without a political or financial motive, so it affects a larger number of people?
 
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Obviously all of this is just speculation, and I'm not even that well-read on the case, and barely know anything about my own legal system. But this right here is the most obviously corrupt thing I believe I've ever seen in the USA in my lifetime in terms of the extent and ... diversity? of the people involved. There's so many people linked to Epstein it boggles the mind, and I really thought my mind was kind of un-bogglable these days. I guess it's just the result of the sexual nature of the case - probably an artifact of power in general, without a political or financial motive, so it affects a larger number of people?
Best place to read up is the Miami Herald. Julie K Brown has done sterling work on digging around to get the case this far. This article has links to the previous long reports: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article233742972.html
 
I'm an RPN and i've nursed loads of suicidal people on locked wards. Don't know how it is in prison but on wards we put people on 'observations' which differ in intensity depending on the assessed level of risk. These vary from hourly (lowest level check) through 30 minute, 15 minute, etc. If someone is high risk (recent serious attempt using a violent method) then you use a 'one to one'. One person assigned to the patient (sometimes line of sight, sometimes arms length). You can even go up to a two to one, etc. If someone is very high risk we put them in a seclusion room (basically a locked bare room with a mattress and security blanket which can't be used as a ligature and a security camera and they're in PJ's only). Also if he was on suicide watch his cell should have been ligature point audited (so nothing to attach a ligature to). If the camera was on the fritz he should have been put on a one to one as the stress that may have produced the attempt on the 25th July would not have gone away. If they were seriously trying to keep him alive for trial and further confessions/revelations they could have is the point i'm making (assuming it was suicide and not murder). As this was a high profile case pressure would have been put on corrections to do their jobs. But as you say...smells like an expired curry.

Yeah, but your patients probably don’t hold a lot of cards in a major criminal investigation with access to the best lawyers money can buy. A bit of bargaining gets him a few privileges, slightly less frequent checks etc. Doesn’t take a lot.

I mean clearly there are other possibilities, but 99 times in 100 incompetence over conspiracy.
 
Yeah, but your patients probably don’t hold a lot of cards in a major criminal investigation with access to the best lawyers money can buy. A bit of bargaining gets him a few privileges, slightly less frequent checks etc. Doesn’t take a lot.

I mean clearly there are other possibilities, but 99 times in 100 incompetence over conspiracy.
Maybe I'm just being wise after the event but less frequent checks when you're on suicide watch doesn't sound like much of a privilege to me...
 
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