Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[existentialist]

Something eh? Sounds verifiable

It is remarkable how often law enforcement camera tech seems to fail, TBF...

 

[MickiQ]

Just saw something claiming surveillance cameras "malfunctioned" in JE's cell.

Seems legit

 

[MickiQ]

Whilst Epstein was clearly an unpleasant cunt, he never struck me as a stupid one, hopefully as we type somewhere one or more other people he trusted are opening the envelopes he gave them in the event of his unexplained death.

 

[tim]

Where's Spymaster and his picture of Jimmy Hill?

If they'd kept 'em peeled, this would never have happened

 

[Idris2002]

I don't know who this Richard Nixon is, but he seems to me to have the clear, level-headed thinking that America needs.

Yes, Nixon's the one! NIXON 2020

 

[Idris2002]

Here's a good one - some Trump admin person has claimed that the "suicide" was the work of HILLARY:

Trump Official Implies Hillary Clinton Had Jeffrey Epstein Killed Minutes After News Breaks

 

[Ming]

I kind of thought the whole point of suicide watch was that you intervened to stop it not just sit there and watch them actually do it.
The world has lost nothing in the death of Jeffrey Epstein. I've always laughed at conspiracy theories but this smells worse than an expired curry.

I'm an RPN and i've nursed loads of suicidal people on locked wards. Don't know how it is in prison but on wards we put people on 'observations' which differ in intensity depending on the assessed level of risk. These vary from hourly (lowest level check) through 30 minute, 15 minute, etc. If someone is high risk (recent serious attempt using a violent method) then you use a 'one to one'. One person assigned to the patient (sometimes line of sight, sometimes arms length). You can even go up to a two to one, etc. If someone is very high risk we put them in a seclusion room (basically a locked bare room with a mattress and security blanket which can't be used as a ligature and a security camera and they're in PJ's only). Also if he was on suicide watch his cell should have been ligature point audited (so nothing to attach a ligature to). If the camera was on the fritz he should have been put on a one to one as the stress that may have produced the attempt on the 25th July would not have gone away. If they were seriously trying to keep him alive for trial and further confessions/revelations they could have is the point i'm making (assuming it was suicide and not murder). As this was a high profile case pressure would have been put on corrections to do their jobs. But as you say...smells like an expired curry.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Whilst Epstein was clearly an unpleasant cunt, he never struck me as a stupid one, hopefully as we type somewhere one or more other people he trusted are opening the envelopes he gave them in the event of his unexplained death.

But anyone he trusted is probably also a nonce or at the very least corrupt as fuck. If anyone's received anything it's blackmail/leverage material at best and won't see the light of day.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Here's a good one - some Trump admin person has claimed that the "suicide" was the work of HILLARY:

Trump Official Implies Hillary Clinton Had Jeffrey Epstein Killed Minutes After News Breaks

For a very litigious country some people do seem to say what they like.

 

[Idris2002]

It gets better - Anne Coulter is now questioning if he's dead at all.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well, that's nice.

So, what you're saying here, is that it's probable that all of Epstein's properties will spontaneously combust in the next couple of days?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I kind of thought the whole point of suicide watch was that you intervened to stop it not just sit there and watch them actually do it.
The world has lost nothing in the death of Jeffrey Epstein. I've always laughed at conspiracy theories but this smells worse than an expired curry.

"Suicide watch" doesn't mean "constant observation", it means checking the person every x amount of minutes through their cell's spyhole.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Here's a good one - some Trump admin person has claimed that the "suicide" was the work of HILLARY:

Trump Official Implies Hillary Clinton Had Jeffrey Epstein Killed Minutes After News Breaks

Or "Killary", as they often call her.

 

[Pickman's model]

My money is on the duke of edinburgh who has form for this sort of thing

 

[brogdale]

My money is on the duke of edinburgh who has form for this sort of thing

White car spotted?
Dancing jooos?

 

[DotCommunist]

Say what you like about it, its still slightly more believable than the spy who was supposed to have zipped himself into the sports bag and suffocated. By a whisker maybe.

 

[MrSki]

 

[tim]

For a very litigious country some people do seem to say what they like.

It was a joke. .


And it's easier to sue for libel successfully in the UK than in the USA

 

[tim]

White car spotted?
Dancing jooos?

Yes, the puppets of the Dalai Lamma

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Turned out nice again

 

[Cloo]

Now I am not a conspiratorial sort at all but it seems rather remarkable to me that they were unable to keep Epstein from killing himself/'killing himself' when he'd already attempted, and given the great efforts made to stop even the most ordinary prisoners from doing so.

 

[existentialist]

Now I am not a conspiratorial sort at all but it seems rather remarkable to me that they were unable to keep Epstein from killing himself/'killing himself' when he'd already attempted, and given the great efforts made to stop even the most ordinary prisoners from doing so.

I am also not a conspiratorial sort, but I am really struggling with the notion that someone like Epstein, the multi-billionaire mover-and-shaker, adventurer, user, abuser, well-connected rebel and maverick, was really the suicide-in-his-cell type. Something really doesn't fit.

 

[bluescreen]

I am also not a conspiratorial sort, but I am really struggling with the notion that someone like Epstein, the multi-billionaire mover-and-shaker, adventurer, user, abuser, well-connected rebel and maverick, was really the suicide-in-his-cell type. Something really doesn't fit.

I dunno. If deprived of his usual chemical needs he might be. He might have had something to say after his first 'attempt' if anyone had asked him. Presumably the people who assessed his mental condition afterwards and decided he didn't need to be on suicide watch after all had asked him and taken a view.

But how very convenient for so many people.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

He knew that he was never seeing the outside of a nick again. Hacks (screws in the US) have a far more ambivalent attitude towards their prisoners, mainly cos so many will die behind bars. In the UK even the very worst of the worst who are given whole life are allowed to die in a regular hospital, not in the US, and you certainly don’t need to be worst of the worst to get whole life over there.

 

[existentialist]

He knew that he was never seeing the outside of a nick again. Hacks (screws in the US) have a far more ambivalent attitude towards their prisoners, mainly cos so many will die deigns bars. In the UK even the very worst of the worst who are given whole life are allowed to die in a regular hospital, not in the US, and you certainly don’t need to be worst of the worst to get whole life over there.

Rational analyses never quite cover the whole thing, though. It is very rarely the case that a decision to attempt suicide is made on that kind of rational basis - in 99.9% of cases, it's driven by a sense of hopelessness or despair. I'm struggling to square that idea with the kind of person Epstein was. Everything, from that, to the idea that it was possible for such a high-profile and significant prisoner to complete a suicide undetected until it was conveniently too late, stinks of "agenda". I could well be wrong - I don't know him, or the details of the setup - but something just pans out a little too conveniently.

And, while we might rejoice that this time it's the scumbag Epstein, we need to bear in mind that the next "unfortunate accident" could happen to someone with the lowdown on Trump, or one of his allies, successors, or co-conspirators.

 

[brogdale]

This evening's 'reaction' from Buckingham Palace:



Revealing that the 'denial' does not rebut the Sjoberg allegation of sexual assault or the allegation of "impropriety" with the, then 17 year old, Giuffre.

 

[bluescreen]

"underage minors" Is that just tautology or is it protesting too much?

ETA: Of course a minor might still be above the age of consent in some jurisdictions, eg the UK. Noted that the age of consent is 17 in NY.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Can we say nonce?

 

[brogdale]

Can we say nonce?

A cursory twitter search would suggest so...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Rational analyses never quite cover the whole thing, though. It is very rarely the case that a decision to attempt suicide is made on that kind of rational basis - in 99.9% of cases, it's driven by a sense of hopelessness or despair.

I have no figures, but with the predilection of US courts to dish out 100+ years at the drop of a hat, I would imagine that he knew that he was fucked and couldn’t face it. That is hopelessness and despair. Christ knows what kind of mental state you need to do what he did financially and with his sick personal life. All the more to keep a close eye on all rich folk.