Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit
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From today's popbitch:
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
If he has been bumped off and personally I reckoned the odds are in favour not against, it doesn't mean a conspiracy by the establishment whatever that is.
All of the people he could likely finger are rich and powerful and quite possibly some are involved in organised crime, it's just takes ONE of them to decide that it's better for Epstein to be dead rather than alive. If there is a high turnover of disinterested and poorly trained agency staff getting someone in there to break his neck is probably all too easy.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Does this mean the hanged doll was part of the photo-montage or as well as?
Those who wanted rid of him had their work cut out then. I mean you need to organise the failure of the cameras and the ineptness of the guards and have someone in place to do the deed.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
When he was sent down before he was allowed out every day to go to work. So not real time.
This time he was denied bail, he wasn’t stupid, he knew that he was never getting out. Even billionaire sociopaths know when the game’s up. Even under fairly extreme suicide watch people can still off themselves. Why he was not on watch is a question that needs answering, but Occam’s razor says he checked out of his own accord, at the second attempt.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I suspect that is not as difficult as you might think, especially given he has been in there for a few weeks and there has been the chance to make enquiries.
And money lots of money makes all sorts of things possible.
How's your wife's medical bills Bert, still crippingly expensive? Here's $50K all you have to do is turn the camera's off, leave the fire door on the latch and make yourself scarce for half an hour. Never mind the big guy in the ill-fitting uniform nothing to see here.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but murder happening in a secure cell is magnitudes worse than ineptness even. I’m thinking about how security services could overtake my job for instance, without me knowing about it. And it’s far less strict than who enters and leaves a prison.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Jeepers. We all know how incompetent the police are. When the fail at the piggery they become screws.
Now in the US the state police make our PCSO’s look like Mossad agents, just imagine what’s whirring away in the head of a hack.
Now in the US the state police make our PCSO’s look like Mossad agents, just imagine what’s whirring away in the head of a hack.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
Alternative to Occam's Razor - whatever QAnon says is true is actually false - & they're pushing the 'suicide' line.
If it was after sentencing, on his way to the big house, I'd agree - the game was up. And we're not privy to conversations he's had with his brief etc - maybe he was told that the money was gone & no one was answering the phones. But yep, a big question about being taken off suicide watch, which apparently means being moved to a cell without cameras.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
In the American ‘justice’ system, once you are nicked you get convicted. How bad that conviction is depends on how many others you are prepared to grass. But when it starts with no bail and the most secure facility in the eastern USA you know what the future has in store.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Does it? There are a bunch of massively powerful people (some of the most powerful in the world) who are very relieved that he is now dead. It is an extremely convenient death for them. Maybe it was suicide, we don't know. But I see no reason to jump to a conclusion via Occam's razor that it was.
8ball
1,200 lights
My exact opinion also.
So what is the point of Occam’s razor if it should only be used selectively?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That wasn't my point here. You could just as easily say that Occam's razor says he was bumped off, given the power of those he posed a threat to while alive.
That adds an assumption.
8ball
1,200 lights
You get to an answer that is usually right, a lot quicker.
You also get to the wrong answer quicker sometimes, which is a very popular strategy.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
What assumption, that he posed a threat to some very powerful people? If so, is that a reasonable assumption? If you think it is, then it ought to be factored in - it forms part of the available information on which the decision is being made. Occam's razor doesn't mean 'selectively ignore anything you can't prove'.
He either killed himself or was killed. Either of these seems plausible to me. The convenience of the death puts doubt in my mind about any official story about it. So there's no compelling reason to plump for one over the other at the moment, probably never will be. Occam's razor doesn't really help us here.
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I thought it weighs up theories based on the amount of assumptions they contain (reasonable or otherwise).
If he’s been done then the security services will have to have done it. They would be able to do that. But not easy to do inside a secure facility with guards on duty.
8ball
1,200 lights
IIrc, then speaking literally, it's more to do with starting with what you know and then not adding assumptions / propositions unless absolutely necessary. The story that covers the facts with the fewest added entities is usually (but not always) correct.
It works best for fairly ordinary stories with few exceptional factors.
Scientists often use it as a way of generating hypotheses that they can then attempt to demolish with further experiments. If Occam's razor was infallible we wouldn't need scientists.
I don’t think it’s unlikely that he was murdered, I think it would be difficult to do without including others in the plot such as guards etc.
mystic pyjamas
Don't call us,we'll call you.
Occam’s razor is if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck then it is a fucking duck.
Also a CIA motto.
Also a CIA motto.
Patteran
A nowadays excuse
Conversely, the 'how many others you are prepared to grass' aspect is a strong motivator for murder in a prison that hasn't had a suicide in 21 years.
Suicide or murder, justice wont be served, & nothing will change. The money, properties, networks gifted to Epstein to enable rape/exploitation/blackmail will be reassigned to another useful but disposable facilitator, & the predatory rich will continue their behaviour. But if there's a chance he was murdered to shut him up, then there's a chance that someone's dropped a bollock along the way & exposed themselves, & it should be investigated as thoroughly & as skeptically as possible, no?
GarveyLives
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His brother was good mates with Jimmy Savile and he was mates with Epstein. Do their advisors actually do anything?
binka
!!!!!!!!!
To be fair they both seem thick as fuck, combined with the inevitable sense of superiority that comes with being called a prince I imagine they take advice from no one
True, it’s more a team of folk protecting their brand. What a job they have!
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I suspect Andy boy is shitting bricks at the moment, Even if completely innocent, mixing with known paedo's is the sort of thing that makes people think he's guilty by simple association. And if he isn't he must be wondering if Epstein left notes or even tapes that the FBI might find.
Being a member of the Royal Family may impress Plod but it will cut no ice with the FBI, It will be interesting to see if they ask to question him.
If Epstein did actually top himself, for all we know he might very well have left a note pointing the Feds in the direction of his diary in a "I spit at you from beyond the grave" Khan moment.
With him dead there is also no motivation or justification for his lawyers to stop the FBI from ripping out the walls in that fancy house of his.
Being a member of the Royal Family may impress Plod but it will cut no ice with the FBI, It will be interesting to see if they ask to question him.
If Epstein did actually top himself, for all we know he might very well have left a note pointing the Feds in the direction of his diary in a "I spit at you from beyond the grave" Khan moment.
With him dead there is also no motivation or justification for his lawyers to stop the FBI from ripping out the walls in that fancy house of his.
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