Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[Duncan2]

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[Kevbad the Bad]

Somebody buzz me when we get back to Andrew’s woes. Cheers.

Ok. It was Andrew supplied the rope.

 

[8ball]

This would read better if written in plain English

Try reading it in English - might help.

 

[Carl Steele]

It does surprise me somewhat, that people here are so trusting of the state and the ruling class. A lot of people refer to themselves as anarchists, but I really feel as though I'm exchanging with social democrats. The idea that Epstein was murdered is hardly outlandish, except for those who believe in the decency of the American judicial/political/social system.

 

[two sheds]

I'm always telling them this you're too trusting of the state and the ruling class I'm telling them.

 

[Wilf]

The podcast and the podcasters are well known on the American left. Listen to what they have to say if you're interested. If not, don't.

I'm not having a go at you, just suggesting trueanon sounds a bit like an alt-right site.

 

[Wilf]

Ok. It was Andrew supplied the rope.

... in the library.

 

[danny la rouge]

Ok. It was Andrew supplied the rope.

This is the thing. It is of course possible that powerful people had Epstein killed, or even caused him to kill himself. It’s also plausible that he killed himself for his own reasons. I have no intention of trying to read up on it: if it’s the former, the powerful people won’t have left clues for random bloggers.

On balance, based on only a superficial reading, I think he probably killed himself. If it emerges that he didn’t, I won’t be particularly surprised, but it’s not something I think I need to build up any expertise on. Even if I could.

 

[danny la rouge]

The idea that Epstein was murdered is hardly outlandish, except for those who believe in the decency of the American judicial/political/social system.

It’s not outlandish. But neither is it outlandish to think may have killed himself. It doesn’t follow that because you think a paedophile might have killed himself that you believe in the decency of the American judicial/political/social system. Indeed it’s something of a failing of that very system if he was able to.

 

[tim]

Disingenuous post. Very different circumstances. And you know it

The first inquest into Calvi's death concluded that it was suicide. There was a second inquest a year later that gave an open verdict. A second autopsy held a decade after his death declared that Calvi's injuries were inconsistent with suicide; a second autopsy on Epstein came to the same conclusion. One of the theories about Calvi was that his death was suicide made to look like murder. Calvi was in trouble facing prison and the concomitant loss of income. He was however heavily insured with a policy that would cushion his family's loss of income. Killing yourself in a way that looked like a ritualistic Masonic murder would ensure that the brokers paid out.

Hence my comment which you seemed to disagree with.

Yes, suicide cunningly disguised to look like murder.

Both deaths in their own way were very odd. Why should we accept that one is the consequence of a labyrinthine conspiracy and not the other?

 

[Wilf]

It does surprise me somewhat, that people here are so trusting of the state and the ruling class. A lot of people refer to themselves as anarchists, but I really feel as though I'm exchanging with social democrats. The idea that Epstein was murdered is hardly outlandish, except for those who believe in the decency of the American judicial/political/social system.

I and I suspect most people on this thread will be fully on board with the idea the American and British police routinely kill working class people people inside and outside of cells. In terms of them killing epstein, it's more a question of why would they? Yes, some industrialists/bankers/actors and the rest would have been shitting themselves about what he might say at some stage. But that doesn't add up to the American state and/or New York authorities taking the immense risk of launching a conspiracy, one which if it was ever uncovered would see them facing jail time. There's also the number of people any such conspiracy would need to be on board and consequent risk of detection, the thing going wrong and the body having obvious signs of murder etc etc. And why would the authorities go to all that trouble to save Prince Noncey, Dershovitz or at best, Clinton? The simplest explanation, Occcam's Razor and all that.

 

[Raheem]

I don't think Epstein being murdered can be definitely ruled out. But I haven't seen anything to indicate that any of the supposedly suspicious circumstances can't reasonably be called consistent with suicide.

For example, even if the apparent laxness in prison security were down to people being paid off (rather than it just being generally rubbish), surely it could easily be that it was Epstein who paid people off.

 

[8ball]

For example, even if the apparent laxness in prison security were down to people being paid off (rather than it just being generally rubbish), surely it could easily be that it was Epstein who paid people off.

Occam's razor - now multi-blade!

 

[Serge Forward]

It does surprise me somewhat, that people here are so trusting of the state and the ruling class. A lot of people refer to themselves as anarchists, but I really feel as though I'm exchanging with social democrats. The idea that Epstein was murdered is hardly outlandish, except for those who believe in the decency of the American judicial/political/social system.

I don't know 100% whether he killed himself or was murdered. I'm inclined to think suicide. If I actually gave a shit, then I'd be inclined to ask a bookie for a price on it eventually turning out he was in fact murdered. As I've got a sneaking feeling the odds for that would be astronomical, it might be worth a punt.

 

[danny la rouge]

Occam's razor - now multi-blade!

That’s the way with razors, isn’t it?

 

[8ball]

That’s the way with razors, isn’t it?

Increasingly so.

 

[Raheem]

I don't know 100% whether he killed himself or was murdered. I'm inclined to think suicide. If I actually gave a shit, then I'd be inclined to ask a bookie for a price on it eventually turning out he was in fact murdered. As I've got a sneaking feeling the odds for that would be astronomical, it might be worth a punt.

Problem is chances he didn't kill himself ≠ chances we will one day know about it.

 

[danny la rouge]

Increasingly so.

New from Occam!

 

[8ball]

New from Occam!

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Becoming more of a cheese grater.

 

[Serge Forward]

Problem is chances he didn't kill himself ≠ chances we will one day know about it.

Ok, so I'd make it a double then.

 

[Orang Utan]

I and I suspect most people on this thread will be fully on board with the idea the American and British police routinely kill working class people people inside and outside of cells. In terms of them killing epstein, it's more a question of why would they? Yes, some industrialists/bankers/actors and the rest would have been shitting themselves about what he might say at some stage. But that doesn't add up to the American state and/or New York authorities taking the immense risk of launching a conspiracy, one which if it was ever uncovered would see them facing jail time. There's also the number of people any such conspiracy would need to be on board and consequent risk of detection, the thing going wrong and the body having obvious signs of murder etc etc. And why would the authorities go to all that trouble to save Prince Noncey, Dershovitz or at best, Clinton? The simplest explanation, Occcam's Razor and all that.

 

[JimW]

What about if it was a sex game gone wrong, eh? We know he was a dirty fucker.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

It does surprise me somewhat, that people here are so trusting of the state and the ruling class. A lot of people refer to themselves as anarchists, but I really feel as though I'm exchanging with social democrats.

Not sure that anarchists leap to wild claims if there's a possibility it might involve a state. Fascists are more likely to or green party loons.

 

[Serge Forward]

Aye, just because we're anti state doesn't mean we're anti reason as well.

 

[8ball]

You were probably expecting a comment on the subject matter or your clever choice of content etc. etc.

but FUCK ME!!! THEY ARE SO YOUNG!!!! WERE WE EVER THAT YOUNG????!!?!?!?

 

[Sue]

Aye, just because we're anti state doesn't mean we're anti reason as well.

Speak for yourself .

 

[discokermit]

if it isnt hung, how come its hung, drawn and quartered eh? smart cunts?

 

[8ball]

And also. Hands up who can imagine the BBC putting out anything even a billion miles from that out now?

 

[fishfinger]

if it isnt hung, how come its hung, drawn and quartered eh? smart cunts?

Do you mean Hanged, drawn and quartered - Wikipedia?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

if it isnt hung, how come its hung, drawn and quartered eh? smart cunts?

Because they're not talking in the past tense.