Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[8ball]

i dunno.
but surely it's so much more likely that a man facing decades in prison for crimes that would entail his solitary confinement until he died of natural causes, would rationally take his own life? West and Shipman did the same.

Much more likely than what? You haven’t even provided a complete sentence.

 

[Iona56]

1. Andrew will not last the year
2. Queen will not last the year.
3. Charles will not last the year.
4. William will take it on but turn it into something like the Danish monarchy... a symbolic figurehead.
6. William will be king but will not rule for that long. He will not see 65. George will not want to he king so Charlotte will take it on and she will be Queen until she dies in her 90s. Charlotte will have no children. And the line will pass to one of George's twins. They decide to alternate and carry out the duties as one...taking breaks every second year. They have no children so when they die the monarchy reverts to a child of Louis who by then is in their 60s. They will be the last monarch of England.

Had to read that a few times, but can't really disagree

 

[SpookyFrank]

You haven’t even provided a complete sentence.

Neither did Epstein.

 

[equationgirl]

If it's down to a cock-up or a conspiracy theory, I was explaining how a cock-up is more likely, in that's it's much more likely that someone simply failed to pick up on the urgent need to change one word and update a script/article. If a script had been read before, if an article had been printed previously, or bits of an earlier script or article rehashed, it could've easily slipped through the net.

But what would I know? I mean, I've only done producer shifts for BBC television and radio news output, I've only worked as a copy editor/writer, assistant producer, producer and senior journalist in other television and radio newsrooms and live studios, and online and print operations.

People are not attacking you, they are disagreeing with you.

No-one is disputing your working experiences, but looking at the bigger overall direction of the BBC as an organisation.

 

[equationgirl]

There is a desperate part off me that wants to see prince Andrew pay.

Welcome!

 

[SpookyFrank]

1. Andrew will not last the year
2. Queen will not last the year.
3. Charles will not last the year.
4. William will take it on but turn it into something like the Danish monarchy... a symbolic figurehead.
6. William will be king but will not rule for that long. He will not see 65. George will not want to he king so Charlotte will take it on and she will be Queen until she dies in her 90s. Charlotte will have no children. And the line will pass to one of George's twins. They decide to alternate and carry out the duties as one...taking breaks every second year. They have no children so when they die the monarchy reverts to a child of Louis who by then is in their 60s. They will be the last monarch of England.

My money's still on Meghan game of thronesing the lot of them and installing what's his name, Archie as king with herself as regent.

 

[8ball]

Well give us something then. A 'theory' usually has some kind of narrative.

I was just pointing out the failures of basic thinking in your argument.

Here it is again:

“If Epstein was murdered then it follows that Maxwell would have been similarly dispensed with.”

No. It doesn’t necessarily follow. You need to fill in a lot of details until it follows. I’m not responding with an alternative theory, just pointing out a failure of stated logic based on unstated assumptions.

 

[equationgirl]

Was just thinking the same!

SoundCloud wanted me to accept cookies. I think not. And no way am I clicking on 'trueanon'.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I was just pointing out the failures of basic thinking in your argument.

Here it is again:

“If Epstein was murdered then it follows that Maxwell would have been similarly dispensed with.”

No. It doesn’t necessarily follow. You need to fill in a lot of details until it follows. I’m not responding with an alternative theory, just pointing out a failure of stated logic based on unstated assumptions.

It's a fair point. But it's kind of difficult to pick holes in a theory that is a sentence long: he was murdered. With absolutely zero meat on the bones.

 

[Orang Utan]

Much more likely than what? You haven’t even provided a complete sentence.

No, it was he who didn’t provide the complete sentence, whereas I did

 

[Iona56]

I'm not very royal "acquainted" but I am very "if you did the dirty deed" pay up and be

Welcome!

accountable

 

[Carl Steele]

SoundCloud wanted me to accept cookies. I think not. And no way am I clicking on 'trueanon'.

The name is a joke. And you are condemning something you haven't even listened to. Not for one second. Perhaps you are too busy reading the Guardian.

 

[8ball]

It's a fair point. But it's kind of difficult to pick holes in a theory that is a sentence long: he was murdered. With absolutely zero meat on the bones.

I’m not saying he was murdered.

I’m saying that to conclude suicide is the explanation is to impute a quantity of unknown variables not significantly different in number to the number of added variables necessary to conclude that he was murdered.

Suicide is a more elegant and parsimonious explanation on the surface of things, but it’s a complex matter of interactions between people and groups with much more power than us ordinary schmoes.

Also, rich sociopaths kill each other now and then. So long as they limit the collateral damage I reserve few fucks for them.

 

[DaveCinzano]

That she wasn't puts paid to that particular theory I think.

Especially as she did a runner, but hardly executed a Harry Roberts-style disappear off the grid number like Raoul Moat.

Instead she chose to live in secluded comfort on a $1 million estate bought for cash through a private limited company, in regular contact with her husband, the Maxwell family and her lawyers.

Whilst posing investigative and evidentiary problems to a law enforcement agency, it would surely not represent much of a difficulty to a shadowy Parallax or Illuminatus or whatever.

 

[Orang Utan]

So yeah, he probably killed himself

 

[Carl Steele]

So yeah, he probably killed himself

Hung himself while on suicide watch. Now that must be the explanation.

 

[Orang Utan]

Hung himself while on suicide watch. Now that must be the explanation.

Hanged, not hung.
Yes, that’s the likely and probable explanation.
Doesn’t take long.

 

[Duncan2]

I wonder what the statistics show about the safety or lack thereof from assault murderous or otherwise of incarcerated individuals as compared with that of the general population?Doubtless the lack of reliable witnesses inside would pose a problem for the statisticians

 

[Orang Utan]

I’m not saying he was murdered.

I’m saying that to conclude suicide is the explanation is to impute a quantity of unknown variables not significantly different in number to the number of added variables necessary to conclude that he was murdered.

Suicide is a more elegant and parsimonious explanation on the surface of things, but it’s a complex matter of interactions between people and groups with much more power than us ordinary schmoes.

Also, rich sociopaths kill each other now and then. So long as they limit the collateral damage I reserve few fucks for them.

This would read better if written in plain English

 

[Johnny Vodka]

If Epstein was murdered then it follows that Maxwell would have been similarly dispensed with. That she wasn't puts paid to that particular theory I think.

Give it a few months.

'Epstein didn't kill himself' is one of the most likely true conspiracy theories IMO.

 

[Carl Steele]

Hanged, not hung.
Yes, that’s the likely and probable explanation.
Doesn’t take long.

From the Miriam-Webster dictionary - "The past tense of hang, in almost all situations is hung."

Epstein was left in his cell alone that night, although the regulations said he should not have been alone. The AG was Mr. Bill Barr, who declared it was a suicide. You can believe this psycho if you like, and maybe he was telling the truth this time.

 

[fishfinger]

From the Miriam-Webster dictionary - "The past tense of hang, in almost all situations is hung."

From Miriam-Webster:

Use hanged when referring to a person being suspended by a rope around the neck until dead.

Is it 'Hung' or 'Hanged'?

 

[mojo pixy]

From the Miriam-Webster dictionary - "The past tense of hang, in almost all situations is hung."

Sorry but .. if you're talking about death by hanging, the past tense is hanged.
FtR, I think Epstein was done in, to avoid any chance of a plea-bargain (which he was the type to have taken IMO)
By whom? No idea, but his phone book was a veritable who's who of the mega-rich and powerful. Don't fuck with those people, I guess.

 

[Flavour]

Spare us the pedantry, all. It's very boring.

 

[Raheem]

From Miriam-Webster:



Is it 'Hung' or 'Hanged'?

From that same link:

The distinction between hanged and hung is not an especially useful one (although a few commentators claim otherwise). It is, however, a simple one and certainly easy to remember. Therein lies its popularity. If you make a point of observing the distinction in your writing, you will not thereby become a better writer, but you will spare yourself the annoyance of being corrected for having done something that is not wrong.

 

[Carl Steele]

Sorry but .. if you're talking about death by hanging, the past tense is hanged.

Well, I must admit, I haven't often written or talked about death by hanging in the past tense.

 

[Orang Utan]

Give it a few months.

'Epstein didn't kill himself' is one of the most likely true conspiracy theories IMO.

No, quite the opposite. It will become an example of how easily people accept fake news just cos it fits in with a barely considered internal presumption

 

[danny la rouge]

Spare us the pedantry, all. It's very boring.

The difference between hung and hanged is easy to learn, but since it doesn’t matter in the least I don’t care, except that it annoys people who have no good reason for being annoyed by it, so I always try to say hung when I remember.

 

[Orang Utan]

Spare us the pedantry, all. It's very boring.

For you maybe. But it’s more interesting than this stupid deliberation over whether he killed himself or not

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Well I think he was well hanged. I don't like to think about the alternative.